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<p>Hi Christian, Lucimara and Jordi,</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">>Regarding your 2nd suggestion, I’m not sure how to address that … do you have any idea as starting point? May be is something so simple as “if the CPE can’t be updated to accommodate the requirements in this document, then
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<p>About this, I think it can be include the end of executive summary:</p>
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<p>The following is a simple guide to recommendations for detecting and replacing obsolete CPEs:</p>
<p>If the CPE does not have hardware or software support from the manufacturer or supplier, it must be replaced.</p>
<p>If the CPE has more than 5 (five) years of life, it must be replaced.</p>
<p>If the CPE can not be updated to meet the requirements of this document, it must be replaced.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I know there is a generic “update” feature set in the MR section, but it is too generic.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">As said before. IPv6 must be there altogether with IPv4-in-IPv6 support. Not having that is a security risk, as well as cheating customers, because you’re providing a CPE which is no longer valid *<b>already
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I think we need to have a strong wording on that in every BCOP we do. Otherwise message is only read if you specifically read the BCOP on CPEs, etc.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Regarding your 2<sup>nd</sup> suggestion, I’m not sure how to address that … do you have any idea as starting point? May be is something so simple as “if the CPE can’t be updated to accommodate the requirements
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The "risk of a premature obsolescence” Is addressed in section: "<span style="font-size:15.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#666666; background:white">Update and Management Requirements (MR)"</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">BTW, should we include a section with recommendations for detecting and replacing obsolete CPEs?</p>
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<b>Fecha:<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span></b>sábado, 16 de junio de 2018, 15:59<br>
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He he, should we declare absence of IPv6 support a security risk? :D</p>
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On a serious note - somebody could go, get this list of requirements, discover that IPv6 is not a requirement and with straight face order cpe's without IPv6 support. That's a risk that I see.</p>
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<pre style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:70.8pt"><br> <br><br> Hey,<br><br> <br><br> Thank you for sharing, this is a great document. I skimmed through while <br><br> waiting for my flight home at Helsinki airport and document looks in <br><br> good shape. It's a bit IETF-ish, but on the other hand that also gives <br><br> clarity to the language.<br><br> <br><br> One thing that I'm missing is that IPv6 is not requested as a must <br><br> anywhere. Do we presume that new CPEs have IPv6 by default anyway?<br><br> <br><br> Cheers and thnx, Jan</pre>
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