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<div>Me acabo de dar cuenta de esta lista. Podría ser interesante en ayudarnos a aumentar la participación.</div>
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<div>Alvaro.</div>
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From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Warren Kumari</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:warren@kumari.net">warren@kumari.net</a>></span><br>
Date: Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:05 PM<br>
Subject: A new emial list to discuss / work on operator and IETF cooperation.<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</a>>,
<a href="mailto:iab@iab.org">iab@iab.org</a>, Chris Grundemann <<a href="mailto:grundemann@isoc.org">grundemann@isoc.org</a>>, "Scott O. Bradner" <<a href="mailto:sob@harvard.edu">sob@harvard.edu</a>><br>
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Hi all,<br>
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During one of the plenaries someone mentioned an effort and the output<br>
of a survey to get more operators involved in the IETF, and IETFers<br>
involved in the operator community.<br>
<br>
We had a presentation in OpsAWG (and the IEPG meeting) by Chris<br>
Grundemann @ ISOC, slides here:<br>
<a href="http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/slides/slides-91-opsawg-0.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/slides/slides-91-opsawg-0.pdf</a><br>
and we have a draft here:<br>
<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-opsawg-operators-ietf-00" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-opsawg-operators-ietf-00</a><br>
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Basically ISOC ran a survey of operators to get more information on if<br>
they participate in the IETF, and if not, why not.<br>
The slides do a good job of explaining the results, but there are some<br>
things that seem like they would be east to address, such as:<br>
"I don’t know how to participate: 58% of those who do not<br>
participate in the IETF do not know how "<br>
and<br>
"I've never heard of IETF mailing lists: 31% had never heard of IETF<br>
mailing lists before this survey<br>
<br>
I don't know what happens on IETF mailing lists: 54% don't know<br>
what happens on an IETF mailing list<br>
<br>
I don't know how to join an IETF mailing list: 40% aren't on an<br>
IETF mailing list because they don't know how to join "<br>
<br>
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We (a number of folk from the OpsAWG, some IEPG folk, Chris and<br>
myself) are planning on manning a table at things like NANOG and RIPE<br>
and APRICOT and similar with an "IETF" banner (we've already spoken<br>
with Ray, he'll organize us one) to provide information on how folk<br>
can participate[0].<br>
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We are planning on having the first table at NANOG63 in San Antonio<br>
and then at RIPE70 in Amsterdam (and possibly APRICOT in March if we<br>
have the right people organized).<br>
<br>
Anyway, I've created a list (<br>
<a href="http://snozzages.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/synergy" target="_blank">http://snozzages.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/synergy</a> ) for interested<br>
folk to discuss and work on things like this. It is intentionally<br>
*not* an @IETF list, because we want to make it clear that this isn't<br>
the IETF extending an olive branch to the lowly operators, but rather<br>
a place where we are all on equal footing...<br>
<br>
Anyway, we wanted to make y'all aware of this, get your thoughts,<br>
maybe press-gang a few into helping man the tables, and invite you to<br>
join the list.<br>
W<br>
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[0]: We are starting with network operator groups because a number of<br>
us already attend those meetings, and so it will be easy, etc.<br>
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I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad<br>
idea in the first place.<br>
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing<br>
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair<br>
of pants.<br>
---maf<br>
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