<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>La nueva versión del draft:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> A Basic Guideline for Listing ISPs that Run IPv6</span></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kawamura-ipv6-isp-listings-01">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kawamura-ipv6-isp-listings-01</a></div><div><br></div><div>Slds,</div><div>.as</div><br><div><div>On 3 Dec 2010, at 11:08, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>El documento que especifica las metricas seria sin duda publico, creo<br>que es como se obtiene el maximo impacto.<br><br>Al igual que las Naciones Unidas, el Banco Mundial u otros organismos<br>definen como se deben medir cosas como la inflación, o la mortalidad<br>infantil para que sean comparables, creo que necesitamos contar con un<br>conjunto de metricas que permitan comparación.<br><br>Comparación en dos planos: primero en el tiempo, para poder saber como<br>los efectos de las diferentes iniciativas afectan la adopción del<br>protocolo, y segundo en el espacio, para poder comparar empresas,<br>gobiernos, ISPs, etc.<br><br>Quien sabe, quizas dentro de un par de años un ISP pueda decir que<br>esta "75% IPv6" o algo asi, y que sea un diferenciador frente a otros<br>ISPs.<br><br>slds<br><br>Carlos<br><br>2010/12/2 Fernando Gont <<a href="mailto:fernando@gont.com.ar">fernando@gont.com.ar</a>>:<br><blockquote type="cite">Gente,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Esto del documento de metricas es algo que van a mantener Uds.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">internamente dentro de LACNIC? Es algo que esperan producir y luego<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">publicar? Es algo que esperan publicar en conjunto con la comunidad?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Piensan en hacer herramientas que obtengan la info y rankeen los dominios?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">etc., etc.,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">De curioso, nomas ;-)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Saludos,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Fernando<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 02/12/2010 04:22 p.m., Arturo Servin wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Este documento trató de documentar algunas métricas pero no como<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">principal objetivo (IMHO), creo que por eso no prosperó. Como sea es una<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">referencia.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A Basic Guideline for Listing ISPs that Run IPv6<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kawamura-ipv6-isp-listings-00">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kawamura-ipv6-isp-listings-00</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hay otras métricas también se referencian en este documento, una de<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ellas el RIPEness.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Roque y Ricardo (y posiblemente alguien más) cuando estuvieron en LACNIC<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">trabajaron en las métricas que sirven de base para las gráficas de<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://portalipv6.lacnic.net">portalipv6.lacnic.net</a> <<a href="http://portalipv6.lacnic.net">http://portalipv6.lacnic.net</a>>. Tenemos algo de<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">información sobre esto en nuestro wiki interno que vamos a ver si<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">podemos publicar en el futuro cercano si es que no está ya plasmado en<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">algún documento público del que no tenga conocimiento.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Saludos,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">.as<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 2 Dec 2010, at 17:09, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Creo que todos mas o menos manejamos las mismas ideas. Estoy pensando en<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">voz alta sobre quizas definir un documento con metricas que todos<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">podamos tomar, para que sean comparables.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 12/2/10 5:07 PM, Fernando Gont wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hola, Carlos,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 02/12/2010 11:10 a.m., Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">veo que hay varias iniciativas en la lista, lo cual me parece muy<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">bueno. Quizás podamos pensar en un esfuerzo para definir un set de<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">métricas que se puedan elaborar a nivel de cada país u organización.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Va a sonar tonta la pregunta, pero: te referis a "que cosas mirar" para<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">poder establecer el nivel de adopcion?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Creo que HE tenia una especie de "ranking" sobre esto?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Se me ocurren cosas tales como:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">* "el sitio web correspodiente al dominio es alcanzable por IPv6"<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">* "el dominio correspondiente tiene RRs MX que luego mapean a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">direcciones v6"<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">etc...<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Saludos,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Fernando<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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