<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">"Eggert, Lars" <<a href="mailto:lars@netapp.com">lars@netapp.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">14 December 2011 02:11:32 GMT-02:00<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">"<a href="mailto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Fwd: [IP] EFF calls for signatures from Internet Engineers against censorship</b><br></span></div><br><div><br><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">From: Dave Farber <<a href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [IP] EFF calls for signatures from Internet Engineers against censorship<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Date: December 14, 2011 4:12:20 GMT+02:00<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: ip <<a href="mailto:ip@listbox.com">ip@listbox.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Reply-To: <<a href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: Peter Eckersley<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: EFF call for signatures from Internet Engineers against censorship<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: David Farber <<a href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(For the IP list)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Last year, EFF organized an open letter against Internet censorship<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">legislation being considered by the US Senate<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(<a href="https://eff.org/deeplinks/2010/09/open-letter">https://eff.org/deeplinks/2010/09/open-letter</a>). Along with other activists<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">efforts, we successfully delayed that proposal, but need to update the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">letter<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">for two bills, SOPA and PIPA, that are close to passing through US Congress<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">now.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If you would like to sign, please email me at <a href="mailto:pde@eff.org">pde@eff.org</a>, with a one-line<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">summary of what part of the Internet you helped to helped to design,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">implement, debug or run.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We need signatures by 8am GMT on Thursday (midnight Wednesday US Pacific,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">3am<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">US Eastern). Also feel free to forward this to colleagues who played a role<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">in designing and building the network.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The updated letter's text is below:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network called<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the Internet. We wrote and debugged the software; we defined the standards<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and protocols that talk over that network. Many of us invented parts of it.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We're just a little proud of the social and economic benefits that our<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">project, the Internet, has brought with it.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Last year, many of us wrote to you and your colleagues to warn about the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">proposed "COICA" copyright and censorship legislation. Today, we are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">writing again to reiterate our concerns about the SOPA and PIPA derivatives<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of last year's bill, that are under consideration in the House and Senate.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">In many respects, these proposals are worse than the one we were alarmed to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">read last year.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If enacted, either of these bills will create an environment of tremendous<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">fear and uncertainty for technological innovation, and seriously harm the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">credibility of the United States in its role as a steward of key Internet<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">infrastructure. Regardless of recent amendments to SOPA, both bills will<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">risk fragmenting the Internet's global domain name system (DNS) and have<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">other capricious technical consequences. In exchange for this, such<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">legislation would engender censorship that will simultaneously be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">circumvented by deliberate infringers while hampering innocent parties'<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">right and ability to communicate and express themselves online.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">All censorship schemes impact speech beyond the category they were intended<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to restrict, but these bills are particularly egregious in that regard<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">because they cause entire domains to vanish from the Web, not just<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">infringing pages or files. Worse, an incredible range of useful,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">law-abiding sites can be blacklisted under these proposals. In fact, it<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">seems that this has already begun to happen under the nascent DHS/ICE<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">seizures program.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Censorship of Internet infrastructure will inevitably cause network errors<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and security problems. This is true in China, Iran and other countries<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">censor the network today; it will be just as true of American censorship.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It is also true regardless of whether censorship is implemented via the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">DNS,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">proxies, firewalls, or any other method. Types of network errors and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">insecurity that we wrestle with today will become more widespread, and will<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">affect sites other than those blacklisted by the American government.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The current bills -- SOPA explicitly and PIPA implicitly -- also threaten<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">engineers who build Internet systems or offer services that are not readily<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and automatically compliant with censorship actions by the U.S. government.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">When we designed the Internet the first time, our priorities were<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">reliability, robustness and minimizing central points of failure or<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">control.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We are alarmed that Congress is so close to mandating censorship-compliance<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">as a design requirement for new Internet innovations. This can only damage<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the security of the network, and give authoritarian governments more power<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">over what their citizens can read and publish.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The US government has regularly claimed that it supports a free and open<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Internet, both domestically and abroad. We cannot have a free and open<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Internet unless its naming and routing systems sit above the political<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">concerns and objectives of any one government or industry. To date, the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">leading role the US has played in this infrastructure has been fairly<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">uncontroversial because America is seen as a trustworthy arbiter and a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">neutral bastion of free expression. If the US begins to use its<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">central in the network for censorship that advances its political and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">economic agenda, the consequences will be far-reaching and destructive.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Senators, Congressmen, we believe the Internet is too important and too<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">valuable to be endangered in this way, and implore you to put these bills<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">aside.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Peter Eckersley <a href="mailto:pde@eff.org">pde@eff.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Technology Projects Director Tel +1 415 436 9333 x131<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Electronic Frontier Foundation Fax +1 415 436 9993<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-------------------------------------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Archives: <a href="https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now">https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">RSS Feed: <a href="https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/5548937-080cdcbf">https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/5548937-080cdcbf</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Modify Your Subscription: <a href="https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=5548937&id_secret=5548937-3cd253d4">https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=5548937&id_secret=5548937-3cd253d4</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Unsubscribe Now: <a href="https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?member_id=5548937&id_secret=5548937-f6d5c528&post_id=20111213211226:0F7FF330-25F9-11E1-8AE5-A1E1AF24D298">https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?member_id=5548937&id_secret=5548937-f6d5c528&post_id=20111213211226:0F7FF330-25F9-11E1-8AE5-A1E1AF24D298</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Powered by Listbox: <a href="http://www.listbox.com">http://www.listbox.com</a><br></blockquote><br>-- <br>Mobile number during December: +358 46 5215582<br>Mobile number starting January: +49 151 12055791<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Ietf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ietf@ietf.org">Ietf@ietf.org</a><br>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf<br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>