<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>Hi Rubens,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Are we in agreement that leasing of both legacy and non-legacy space is legal and policy-compliant everywhere in the world?<br></div><div>But that you can't lease out addresses registered in LACNIC and AFRINIC without risk of revocation?<br></div><div>And that the original poster did not think that leasing with ROA was possible, but it is in fact possible?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Are you still of the belief that only legacy blocks can be leased?<br></div><div><br></div><div>You can be in Latin America or Africa and lease blocks from a lessor in ARIN, APNIC, or RIPE, receive an ROA, and break no laws or policies.<br></div><div> I hope everybody understands this.<br></div><div><br></div><div>You can say hi to John Curran and give him my regards as he educates you.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br>Mike</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="zmail_extra_hr" style="border-top: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 0px;"><br></div><div class="zmail_extra" data-zbluepencil-ignore="true"><div><br></div><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1">---- On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:08:00 -0500 <b>Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@gmail.com></b> wrote ----<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px;"><div>> I apologize for mixing LACNIC and LACNOG. <br>> You posted something from Brazil. <br>> As far as I know Brazil has had a law requiring addresses utilized in Brazil <br>> to be registered at NIC.br. <br>> This is fairly unique, possibly only China also has this requirement as far <br>> as I know. <br> <br>There is no such law in Brazil. The only law about Internet here is <br>called "Marco Civil", and you can see that in English here: <br><a href="https://www.cgi.br/pagina/marco-civil-law-of-the-internet-in-brazil/180" target="_blank">https://www.cgi.br/pagina/marco-civil-law-of-the-internet-in-brazil/180</a> <br> <br>You can see at IX.br, the Internet Exchange matrix operated by NIC.br, <br>many ARIN, RIPE or other allocation sources, many route announcements <br>of IP blocks not allocated by NIC.br. <br> <br> <br>> Nonetheless this is not a policy requirement of LACNIC. <br> <br>Not a policy requirement but an RSA requirement, as you mentioned below. <br> <br>> LACNIC assignments will not reveal LACNIC lessees, whose assignments may be <br>> done at another RIR. <br> <br>That's fine. If other RIRs allocated the blocks, their policies are <br>the one that matters. All RIRs are happy with that. <br> <br>> I would wait a bit for the private messages, but I am sure you will learn <br>> that leased addresses do not have to be legacy and leasing addresses is not <br>> against policy in ARIN, RIPE, or APNIC. <br> <br>Next time I bump into John Curran I am sure to ask him about ARIN, <br>because I read him stating otherwise in NANOG. <br> <br> <br>> LACNIC and AFRINIC alone among the RIRs have maintained in their RSAs the <br>> ability to revoke for utilization outside the original justification, or for <br>> lack of utilization. Likely this is one of the causes of Latin America's <br>> very small transfer market. AFRINIC hasn't run out completely yet, so their <br>> market is non-existent. The other trading RIRs understood that maintaining <br>> this revocation ability runs counter to a functioning IPv4 market. <br> <br>This ability is exactly what allows us to run an honest system where <br>people ask for what they need, not for what they will use to make <br>other people's lives costlier. If that doesn't work for brokers, they <br>can go elsewhere in the world. <br> <br>Rubens <br>_______________________________________________ <br>LACNOG mailing list <br><a href="mailto:LACNOG@lacnic.net" target="_blank">LACNOG@lacnic.net</a> <br><a href="https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/listinfo/lacnog" target="_blank">https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/listinfo/lacnog</a> <br>Cancelar suscripcion: <a href="https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/options/lacnog" target="_blank">https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/options/lacnog</a> <br></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></div><br></body></html>