[LAC-TF] [LACNIC/Politicas] Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
Francisco Obispo
fobispo at nic.ve
Tue Jul 19 14:42:50 BRT 2005
Aún con que lograramos cambiar la "forma" de actualizar la base de datos
WHOIS,
definitivamente, creo que sería absurdo mantener actualizado los /56.
Estamos hablando de aproximadamente (2^24) 16.7 millones de registros de
delegaciones /56 !!
La otra cosa podría ser, que cada organización a la que se le asigne un
/32, esté obligado a tener un servidor WHOIS, donde proporcionen
información de sus clientes, de esta forma, evitando el doble esfuerzo
de cargar los datos.
Saludos
rgaglian at adinet.com.uy wrote:
>Marcelo,
>
>Por lo que tengo entendido todas las regiones se siguen valiendo por el mismo
>criterio de forma de poder luego evaluar correctamente el HD Ratio para futuras
>asignaciones.
>
>El problema no es solamente el tema de privacidad/competencia, pero tambien
>un tema operacional. Si un operador hoy en dia tuviera que registrar cada
>cliente DSL, Cable, celular en el Whois genera una sobrecarga administrativa
>importante (especialmente si no hay swips y hay que ingresarlos a traves
>de un formario web).
>
>Roque
>
>
>
>>-- Mensaje original --
>>Cc: lactf at lac.ipv6tf.org, politicas at lacnic.net
>>From: marcelo bagnulo braun <marcelo at it.uc3m.es>
>>Subject: Re: [LACNIC/Politicas] Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
>>Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:00:05 +0200
>>To: rgaglian at adinet.com.uy
>>
>>
>>Hola Roque,
>>
>>no he seguido muy de cerca este ultimo tema que mencionas, pero creo
>>recordar que en otras regiones solucionaron esto dejando a discrecion
>>del ISP si poner o no en el WHOIS los datos de los clientes finales,
>>por lo que no me queda claro que esto sea un problema grave, pero como
>>dije no estoy muy puesto en esto, asi que si me podes corregir...?
>>
>>saludos, marcelo
>>
>>
>>
>>El 19/07/2005, a las 2:10, rgaglian at adinet.com.uy escribió:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Creo que un punto que no podemos perder desde el punto de vista de los
>>>
>>>
>>>operadores
>>>es que si se mantiene el /48 como unidad de asignación, se deberá
>>>registrar
>>>a cada usuario residencial (ADSL, etc) en la base de datos Whois, con
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>el
>>>correspondiente costo administrativo y con un agravamiento de los
>>>problemas
>>>de confidencialidad ya planteados en esta lista.
>>>
>>>Roque
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-- Mensaje original --
>>>>Cc: lactf at lac.ipv6tf.org, politicas at lacnic.net
>>>>From: marcelo bagnulo braun <marcelo at it.uc3m.es>
>>>>Subject: Re: [LACNIC/Politicas] Fwd:
>>>>I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
>>>>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:52:02 +0200
>>>>To: rgaglian at adinet.com.uy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hola Roque,
>>>>
>>>>si, a mi me parece un disparate tambien
>>>>
>>>>tener en cuenta que la eficiencia requerida resultante del uso del HD
>>>>ratio para un /19 es de 1,8%!!!!
>>>>
>>>>ademas, en draft-narten-iana-rir-ipv6-considerations-00.txt se lantea
>>>>un ejemplo que me parece ilustrar muy bien tu preocupacion, lo
>>>>transcribo para uds.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>4.1. An example: Cable Modem/DSL Service in US
>>>>
>>>> In the hallway at a recent ARIN meeting, I was cornered by someone
>>>> who had done a back-of-the envelope calculation that led him to
>>>> believe the current policies needed adjustment. The argument went
>>>> like:
>>>>
>>>> If I assign 4M /48Ç«÷s of IPv6 (one to each cable modem on my
>>>> network), according to the HD-ratio I am justified to obtain
>>>> something around a /20 of IPv6 addresses. In other words, I am
>>>> justified in getting 268M /48Ç«÷s even though I am only using 4M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>of
>>>> them. That would be enough for me to assign at least two for
>>>> every household in the US (not just the 19M on my network).
>>>>
>>>> Now if all the cable providers (e.g., Comcast, Cox, Adelphia,
>>>> Cablevision, Time-Warner, etc.) did the same for their networks;
>>>> and each of the DSL companies made a similar move (SBC, Verizon,
>>>> Quest, etc.); perhaps we could easily see the broadband market
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>in
>>>> the US alone obtaining some 16 /20Ç«÷s of IPv6 or a total of
>>>>/16.
>>>> There are only 8192 of those available in the current global
>>>> unicast space of 2001::/3.
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, you can see where this might lead...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Saludos, marcelo
>>>>
>>>>PD: este tema se esta discutiendo en la lista global-v6
>>>>global-v6 mailing list
>>>>global-v6 at lists.apnic.net
>>>>http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/global-v6
>>>>seria bueno que enviaramos nuestros comentarios ahi, de forma que las
>>>>opiniones del lacnic tambien se tomen en cuenta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>El 17/07/2005, a las 6:56, rgaglian at adinet.com.uy escribió:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Marcelo,
>>>>>
>>>>>Hace tiempo que queria contestarte este correo con un comentario que
>>>>>he escuchado
>>>>>más de una vez.
>>>>>
>>>>>¿¿¿Cómo hizo D-Telecom para justificar un /19???
>>>>>
>>>>>No he estudiado mucho las políticas actuales de RIPE pero claramente
>>>>>se desprende
>>>>>del resto de los RIR por estos bloques gigantes de direcciones
>>>>>asignados
>>>>>a algunos proveedores.
>>>>>
>>>>>Un /19 se podría dividir en 539 millones de /48. Es mi impresión que
>>>>>el plan
>>>>>de numeración que utilizaron (y amparados en el RFC vigente) da un
>>>>>/48
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>cada usuario DSL y A CADA CELULAR.
>>>>>
>>>>>Lo que es interesante es que el draft, a primera vista, no estudia la
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>asignación
>>>>>de direcciones para empresas celulares/moviles.
>>>>>
>>>>>Un abrazo
>>>>>
>>>>>Roque
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-- Mensaje original --
>>>>>>To: lactf at lac.ipv6tf.org, politicas at lacnic.net
>>>>>>From: marcelo bagnulo braun <marcelo at it.uc3m.es>
>>>>>>Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:39:33 +0200
>>>>>>Subject: [LACNIC/Politicas] Fwd: I-D
>>>>>> ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>fyi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Inicio mensaje reenviado:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>De: Internet-Drafts at ietf.org
>>>>>>>Fecha: 12 de julio de 2005 21:50:03 GMT+02:00
>>>>>>>Para: i-d-announce at ietf.org
>>>>>>>Asunto: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
>>>>>>>Responder a: internet-drafts at ietf.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>>>>>>>directories.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Title : IPv6 Address Allocation to End Sites
>>>>>>> Author(s) : T. Narten, et al.
>>>>>>> Filename : draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
>>>>>>> Pages : 8
>>>>>>> Date : 2005-7-12
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This document revisits the IAB/IESG recommendations on the
>>>>>>>assignment
>>>>>>> of IPv6 address space to end sites. Specifically, it indicates
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>> changing the default end-site assignment for typical home and
>>>>>>>SOHO
>>>>>>> sites from /48 to /56 is consistent with the goals of IPv6 and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>RFC
>>>>>>> 3177. Although it is for the RIR community to make adjustments
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>> IPv6 address space allocation and end site assignment policies,
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>> IETF community would be comfortable with RIRs changing the
>>>>>>>default
>>>>>>> assignment size to /56 for smaller end sites. This document
>>>>>>>obsoletes
>>>>>>> RFC 3177 and reclassifies it as historic.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>Ing.Roque Gagliano
>>>>>rgaglian at adinet.com.uy
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