<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>De hecho fue una buena pregunta. </div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Tengo mis dudas si ICANN será el mejor foro para hacer algo, para discutirlo no me queda duda de que lo es, pero para implementar algo creo que sería más fácil empezar en los foros donde las reglas de publicación y mantenimiento del whois numérico se discuten.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A raíz del artículo de CNET se ha discutido algo en las listas de ARIN (no mucho):</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2012-June/025240.html">http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2012-June/025240.html</a></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>En la de los otros RIRs no he visto nada aún.</div><div><br></div><div>Slds</div><div>as</div><br><div><div>On 27 Jun 2012, at 10:21, c.a. wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Dear Arturo,<br><br>Gracias por las ponderaciones. Pero este es un tema político de la gobernanza de Internet, que resumidamente es: hasta donde pueden las LEAs ("law enforcement agencies") ir en sus restricciones a la operación y desarrollo de la red sin violar principios como la neutralidad, la no violacion de datos privados etc etc?<br><br>Como la entidade de gobernanza internacional de la infra lógica es Icann, me pareció muy apropiado dirigir a Icann (y no a sus estructuras afiliadas o asociadas) la pregunta sobre que piensan hacer.<br><br>[] fraterno<br><br>--c.a.<br><br>Sent from a tablet<br><br>On 27/06/2012, at 13:41, Arturo Servin <<a href="mailto:arturo.servin@gmail.com">arturo.servin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Correct me if I am wrong but I think that the difference between name-policies and number-policies in ICANN is that the latter are not discussed directly in ICANN, They are discussed in the corresponding RIRs in a bottom up process and treated as regional policies. The exception is Global Policies that are reviewed and ratified by the ASO and the ICANN board .<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> So, I imagine that is why you got that answer.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> May be a better answer should have been: "This is a number policy matter, I suggest you to go and talk with the ASO to discuss (perhaps to follow a global policy) it and work with your RIR in producing new policies to deal with this particular whois issue".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> My 20 cents.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regards,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">as<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 27 Jun 2012, at 07:20, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sorry, resending due to mispelling of the name. Is Thomas Narten, not Tom Anders. My apologies.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--c.a.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Dear people,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This afternoon here at ICANN 44 meeting in Prague, we had a meeting of the ICANN board with the stakeholder group in which I participate (NCSG). I had the opportunity to ask the board what they thought ICANN should do about the FBI & DEA meddling in IPv6 deployment, as they (ICANN) are the planet's governance body for names, *numbers* and protocols.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ICANN's Tom Anders immediately replied ICANN has nothing to do with it. I was surprised, not only by Tom's statement, but also by the absolute silence of the board on this issue.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Just to let you know.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">fraternal regards<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--c.a.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 06/24/2012 09:47 AM, Fernando Gont wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 06/18/2012 03:07 PM, Jorge Villa wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sin embargo, el sabado aparece publicado este artuculo titulado "FBI,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">DEA warn IPv6 could shield criminals from police"<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(<a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57453738-83/fbi-dea-warn-ipv6-could-shield-criminals-from-police/?part=rss&tag=feed&subj">http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57453738-83/fbi-dea-warn-ipv6-could-shield-criminals-from-police/?part=rss&tag=feed&subj</a>),<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">donde se anuncia (que por medio de leyes en USA y Canada) se intentara<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">clarificar los esquemas de direcciones para obtener "trazabilidad" en la<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">comunicacion.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Por lo que entendi del articulo (mirandolo muy por arriba, y rápido), el<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">problema tiene que ver con como se espera que whois se use con IPv6, mas<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">que con algo intrinseco de IPv6.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Esto significa que a corto/mediano plazo seran removidas<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">las extensiones de privacidad de IPv6 o algun otro mecanismo (como el<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">que emplea Microsoft)?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">No, en absoluto.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">El debate se ira a mover hacia el despliegue masivo de IPSEC?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Menos que menos! :-)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Este anuncio es curioso, porque tanto el FBI como DEA han tenido que<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">estar involucradas en el despliegue de IPv6, como parte de las politicas<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">que al respecto ha trazado el gobierno norteamericano;<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A veces las politicas son papelerio que no necesariamente se refleja en,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">por ejemplo, una despliegue racional de una tecnología.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Saludos,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">LACTF mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:lactf@lac.ipv6tf.org">lactf@lac.ipv6tf.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/listinfo/lactf">https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/listinfo/lactf</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">LACTF mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:lactf@lac.ipv6tf.org">lactf@lac.ipv6tf.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/listinfo/lactf">https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/listinfo/lactf</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">LACTF mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:lactf@lac.ipv6tf.org">lactf@lac.ipv6tf.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/listinfo/lactf">https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/listinfo/lactf</a><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>LACTF mailing list<br><a href="mailto:lactf@lac.ipv6tf.org">lactf@lac.ipv6tf.org</a><br>https://mail.lacnic.net/mailman/listinfo/lactf<br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>