[BCOP] BCOP Draft-2: open for comments

Tue Jun 19 12:39:48 BRT 2018

I think the last one is sufficient:
If the CPE can not be updated to meet the requirements of this document, it must be replaced.

Because not having hardware or software support, but still accommodating the BCOP is OK, as well as if a CPE is OK, but it has been there for 8 years or 18 years, but still works for the purpose required on its location, no need to replace it.

Saludos,

Jordi

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Asunto: Re: [BCOP] BCOP Draft-2: open for comments

Hi Christian, Lucimara and Jordi,

>Regarding your 2nd suggestion, I’m not sure how to address that … do you have any idea as starting point? May be is something so simple as “if the CPE can’t be updated to accommodate the requirements in this document, then it must be replaced” ?

About this, I think it can be include the end of executive summary:

The following is a simple guide to recommendations for detecting and replacing obsolete CPEs:

If the CPE does not have hardware or software support from the manufacturer or supplier, it must be replaced.

If the CPE has more than 5 (five) years of life, it must be replaced.

If the CPE can not be updated to meet the requirements of this document, it must be replaced.

Regards.

Carmen

De: BCOP <bcop-bounces at lacnog.org> en nombre de JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
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Hi Christian,

I know there is a generic “update” feature set in the MR section, but it is too generic.

As said before. IPv6 must be there altogether with IPv4-in-IPv6 support. Not having that is a security risk, as well as cheating customers, because you’re providing a CPE which is no longer valid *already today*.

I think we need to have a strong wording on that in every BCOP we do. Otherwise message is only read if you specifically read the BCOP on CPEs, etc.

Regarding your 2nd suggestion, I’m not sure how to address that … do you have any idea as starting point? May be is something so simple as “if the CPE can’t be updated to accommodate the requirements in this document, then it must be replaced” ?

Regards,

Jordi

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Asunto: Re: [BCOP] BCOP Draft-2: open for comments

GR-03: The CPE MUST support IPv6 following RFC7084 and transition mechanisms (draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas), in order to avoid the risk of a premature obsolescence.

We have to find the appropriate wording to reference relevant documents avoiding normative language on topics outside security. 

The "risk of a premature obsolescence” Is addressed in section: "Update and Management Requirements (MR)"

BTW, should we include a section with recommendations for detecting and replacing obsolete CPEs?

Christian

The mention to draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas will be sufficient once it is an RFC, because it already has a MUST for RFC7084.

I think it makes a lot of sense.

Regards,

Jordi

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He he, should we declare absence of IPv6 support a security risk? :D

On a serious note - somebody could go, get this list of requirements, discover that IPv6 is not a requirement and with straight face order cpe's without IPv6 support. That's a risk that I see.

I would add just a sentence at the beginning that it is presumed for the purpose of the document that IPv6 and IPv4 protocols are supported, implemented and enabled.

Cheers, Jan

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On 16 Jun 2018, at 16:33, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:

Hi Jan,

It is a "minimum security for acquisition", not minimum features ... Those features are better documented in RFC7084 and if you want to support transition soon, hopefully in the RFC resulting from draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas 

I think when done, we can also bring it to RIPE ?

Regards,

Jordi

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Asunto: Re: [BCOP] BCOP Draft-2: open for comments

    On 16/06/2018 04:59, Lucimara Desiderá wrote:

 Hello LACNOG Community

 After two rounds of discussions, we are releasing today the Draft-2 of 

 the BCOP document "Minimum security requirements for CPEs acquisition".

 Until July 22, 2018, the Draft-2 will be open for comments and 

 suggestions from the whole LACNOG community and you are all welcome to 

 provide feedback and make contributions. Contributors from M3AAWG will 

 also have the opportunity to review the document.

 The Draft-2 is available at the link below. In order make comments and 

 to see others' suggestions, please sign in to Google Docs and request 

 permission to edit.

 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_Sa8ZEnKXiAnh_xRc-J44VXadUGdr98MT_MZrA5sALc/edit?usp=sharing

    Hey,

    Thank you for sharing, this is a great document. I skimmed through while 

    waiting for my flight home at Helsinki airport and document looks in 

    good shape. It's a bit IETF-ish, but on the other hand that also gives 

    clarity to the language.

    One thing that I'm missing is that IPv6 is not requested as a must 

    anywhere. Do we presume that new CPEs have IPv6 by default anyway?

    Cheers and thnx, Jan

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