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[Luis Balbinot]

What bothers me the most is that there are no public details on the deal
between PIR and Ethos and that the whole thing was kind of a black ops
mission. Their PR statements have some wording that remind me of a CIA
statement.

Luis

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 07:01 Bill Woodcock <woody en pch.net> wrote:

>
>
> > On Nov 28, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Bill Woodcock <woody en pch.net> wrote:
> > On 11/27/19 4:37 PM, Fernando Frediani wrote:
> >> Below are the figures of revenue from PIR from 2017, 2018 e 2019
> budgets.
> >>
> >> 2017 - USD 29.5 million
> >> 2018 - USD 34.6 million
> >> 2019 - USD 34.1 million
> >>
> >> It remains difficult to understand the reasoning behind this deal.
> >
> > El riesgo no es una disminución de los ingresos, sino un cese absoluto
> de los ingresos debido a una redelegación. Es una amenaza existencial que
> ha estado en ISOC durante los últimos diecisiete años y dirigió sus
> acciones. Al vender PIR y poner el dinero en inversiones, se elimina esa
> amenaza, y el ISOC podría operar hipotéticamente neutral e
> independientemente a partir de entonces. Un ISOC que no estuviera sujeto
> tanto a la política de los Estados Unidos como a la política de gTLD sería
> uno que podría funcionar mucho más en interés público y en interés de los
> usuarios de Internet.
> >
> > Entonces, esa es la motivación, y creo que es bueno, y felicito a Andrew
> por trabajar para lograrlo.
> >
> > Completamente separada de eso está la cuestión de cómo Fadi / Akram /
> ICANN / Donuts se acercó a su lado del trato, y las preocupaciones sobre el
> autotratamiento allí me parecen bastante reales.
> >
> > Pero no sé si esto es suma cero; No sé si los problemas con este último
> significan que tenemos que renunciar al primero.
>
> Jordi points out that I have far too much faith in Google Translate for
> the many Spanish words that are not in my limited vocabulary.  So, thank
> you Jordi, and my apologies for any confusion I may have caused.
>
> Here’s an English version of the above:
>
> "The risk is not a decrease in income, but an absolute cessation of income
> due to a redelegation. It is an existential threat that has hung over ISOC
> for the past seventeen years and directed its actions. By selling PIR and
> putting the money in an endowment, that threat is eliminated, and ISOC
> could hypothetically operate neutrally and independently thereafter. An
> ISOC that was not beholden to both United States governmental policy and
> gTLD policy would be one that could work much more in the public interest
> and in the interest of Internet users.
>
> So, that's the motivation, and I think it's good, and I congratulate
> Andrew for working to achieve it.
>
> Completely separate from that is the question of how Fadi / Akram / ICANN
> / Donuts approached their side of the deal, and the concerns about
> self-dealing there seem quite real to me.
>
> But I don't think this is zero sum; I don't know if the problems with the
> latter mean that we have to give up the former.
>
>                                 -Bill
>
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