[lacnog] Bogon route objects in the LACNIC IRR

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani en gmail.com
Vie Ago 20 16:09:21 -03 2021

Talking strictly about the technical subject discussed I tend to agree 
with Ronald's point of view that any garbage of this type should always 
be cleaned or filtered where it is the case.

Seems reasonable to me rectify the current procedure without ignoring 
all legitimate RPKI ROAs and that make very much sense.
And I don't think this should be something we don't need to worry about. 
We do !

What would take to achieve that and are there any pros and cons ?
Is it something that could be considered considering the status of other 
RIRs ?

Best regards

On 19/08/2021 11:33, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
> In message <CAJBrruiDNGXLGLrS+=PuqKyq8z7vB1m5oa5edshEB=G1cRcg7Q en mail.gmail.com>,
> Roque Gagliano <rgaglian en gmail.com> wrote:
>> If you really want to change how the ROAs work, please go ahead and submit
>> an IETF draft and follow the process. All your points were discussed a lot
>> during the design process.
> I'm sorry.  It seems that I failed to make myself clear.
> I have no interest whatsoever in making *any* changes at all to the existing
> RPKI system *or* to any of its associated ROAs, either currently existing
> ones or future ones.  I have not proposed that, I have not suggested that,
> I have not even vaguely insinuated that, and indeed I would be opposed to that,
> absent the kind of formal IETF process that you mentioned.
> No  I have spoken only of the "old world" of RIR IRRs... the old system under
> which the five Regional Internet Registries publish *non-cryptographic* route
> objects themselves, via their respective Internet Route Registries.  (I thought
> that I had made this clear, but apparently not.  In any case, I hope that I have
> made it clear now.)
> It's just the old RIR IRRs that concern me.  It has always been my default
> assumption that the new world of RPKI ROAs can and will take care of itself.
> With respect to the RIR IRRs... which are, in general, older than RPKI, except
> in the case of LACNIC, it seems... those old IRRs contain or have contained a
> lot of what I would call "long abandoned bogon garbage".  That's the only stuff
> that concerns me.
> Unfortunately, someone at some time within LACNIC made the decision to import
> the entire universe of LACNIC RPKI ROAs, blindly, and en mass, into the old
> style LACNIC IRR -without- first filtering out what I call the "bogon garbage".
> As I have previously said, I think that this could be easily rectified by LACNIC
> staff, and *without* just ignoring all of the thousands or tens of thousands
> of perfectly legitimate RKPI ROAs.  Those could all and should all still be
> imported on a route basis into the lACNIC IRR.  I have no problems with that,
> and in fact I think it would be Good if this continued to happen.  The routes
> that involve bogon AS numbers are a different matter however.  Those should not
> have old-style route objects auto-generated for them which are then placed into
> I'm sure that some people (Job?) may say "Well, just don't worry about it!  Bogon
> route objects within the IRRs of the various RIR are not actually Bad and are
> not really a problem." but I don't think such a claim will stand up to careful
> scrutiny.  If bogon route objects within RIR IRRs are not "Bad" or at least
> undesirable, when why is it the case that all four of the other Regional
> Internet Registries (ARIN, RIPE, APNIC, AFRINIC) have already taken steps to
> remove some or all of -their- bogon route objects from -their- respective IRRs?
> Regards,
> rfg
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