[lacnog] Fwd: [ripe-list] The Future of Discussion Lists

[Fernando Gont]

Tan dificil es allow-list'ear? :-)

Por otro lado, hay soporte para reescribir los headers en el software 
the ML, como ser mailman.

No veo el armageddon...   :-)


On 26/5/23 13:53, Carlos Marcelo Martinez Cagnazzo wrote:
> Se que es una discusion que a varios en la lista les va a interesar.
> 
> /Carlos
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> From: Leo Vegoda <leo en vegoda.org <mailto:leo en vegoda.org>>
> Date: Fri, May 26, 2023 at 4:41
> Subject: [ripe-list] The Future of Discussion Lists
> To: ripe-list en ripe.net <mailto:ripe-list en ripe.net>
> 
> 
> 
> Dear RIPE community,
> 
> At yesterday’s community plenary I asked whether mailing lists are
> sustainable as our main communication channel. For those who were not
> able to attend, the slide and a recording are available here:
> 
> - 
> ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/12-Mailing-Lists-RIPE-86.pdf <https://tr.cloudmagic.com/h/v6/link-track/1.0/1685102033136572-8c6206e6-6b7e-912f-0ac2-31ed57098460/1685102016/96f2d3060286ecbab9150cfe7cb38c63/54a8114ee3c78f0d14605fb8679b29ac/c685fcd416a89ab357b7e28c4a5ee604?redirect_uri=https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/12-Mailing-Lists-RIPE-86.pdf>
> - ripe86.ripe.net/archives/video/1115 
> <https://tr.cloudmagic.com/h/v6/link-track/1.0/1685102033136584-749e5ef5-eca1-3f5c-152b-dd5e5488f449/1685102016/96f2d3060286ecbab9150cfe7cb38c63/54a8114ee3c78f0d14605fb8679b29ac/c685fcd416a89ab357b7e28c4a5ee604?redirect_uri=https://ripe86.ripe.net/archives/video/1115>
> 
> I am obviously concerned that discussion lists might not serve us with
> fidelity in the future. If that is the case, I want us to manage any
> change we need to make. We should not be bounced into rapid change.
> 
> There was more discussion than I expected. I’m sending this message to
> ask the questions:
> 
> - Am I wrong? Are e-mail discussion lists a sustainable communication
> channel for the foreseeable future?
> - Are e-mail discussion lists an acceptable technology to people
> joining the industry?
> 
> The text below is similar to something I shared with the WG Chairs
> several months ago.
> 
> Kind regards,.
> 
> Leo
> 
> ripe-781 describes four fundamental principles supporting our policy
> development process. The first two principles are openness and
> transparency.
> 
> Changes in the treatment of e-mail by large industry players presents
> a challenge to these two principles.
> 
> In 1992, when ripe-001 was published, anyone could run e-mail services
> on any Internet infrastructure they could use. It is now far more
> difficult to run e-mail services. Technology developments, like DMARC,
> have made discussion mailing lists less effective.
> 
> Validation failures increase the probability of messages being treated
> as junk. Subscribers to RIPE's discussion lists will miss messages
> when their e-mail services provider treats them as junk.
> 
> When a legitimate message to a RIPE discussion list is treated as junk
> the sender's voice has been moderated by a third-party mail provider.
> RIPE's transparency is diminished when its discussion lists are
> subjected to gatekeeping by third-party mail providers.
> 
> In 1992, e-mail was an improvement to postal services and telephony
> protocols. In 2023, we have a wide choice of communication protocols
> and platforms.
> 
> I believe that new protocols and platforms are preferred over e-mail
> by potential participants in RIPE at the start of their careers. We
> want these people to take part in RIPE. They are the future of
> coordination for the operators of IP networks in Europe and the rest
> of the world.
> 
> We must offer all current and potential participants in RIPE an
> effective set of tools. Any tools we use must support the principles
> of openness and transparency.
> 
> An ideal set of tools might have features like this:
> 
> 1. An open protocol available for implementation by anyone.
> 2. Free(ly available) software implementations for popular operating
> systems (Android, iOS, Linux, macOS, and Windows).
> 3. Allows a user to choose to have activity pushed to them. They must
> not be forced to maintain a login to be informed of activity they are
> interested in.
> 4. A public archive that cannot be retrospectively edited (barring
> exceptional situations).
> 
> While the technology choices need to support the principles of
> openness and transparency, they do not need to do all the work.
> Announcements, blog posts, and other kinds of communications can be
> built into our processes.
> 
> The combination of technology and process can make the whole more effective.
> 
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