[LAC-TF] Fwd: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Numbering issues

Fri Aug 27 15:58:38 BRT 2004

Hola.

Sobre el IPv6 en LAC:

IPv6 LAC Task Force
http://lac.ipv6tf.org/

Sobre el IPv6 Global Summit en Brasil.
http://www.latinoamericann.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=718&mode=thread&order=1&thold=0

O Globo RJ - O protocolo que dará mais mobilidade à Internet
http://www.ipv6summit.com.br/mostra_press.php?id_mat=15

En los proximos dias la Comissão Mackenzie/LatinoamerICANN sobre el IPv6 .
(en: http://latinoamericann.org)

Saludos

Erick

At 01:41 p.m. 27/08/2004, you wrote:
>Caríssimas y carísssimos,
>
>El mensaje abajo del compa Harold menciona asunto de gran importancia sobre
>los criterios de distribución de números (y bloques de números) IPv6.
>
>En mi visión, tal como los ccTLDs, números IP deberían ser considerados
>patrimonio de la comunidad ("assets of the commons" o bienes públicos), no
>"commodities". No es así con muchos de los ccTLDs, y sabemos que la
>distribución de IPs por proveedores es un comercio como cualquier otro.
>
>Ahora estamos en un nuevo paradigma, el de IPv6, en que hay abundancia y no
>escasez de este recurso (argumento usado por algunos para que se comercialize
>la cosa) -- más razón todavía para que sea considerado y tratado como un bien
>público.
>
>Me gustaría debatir un poco el asunto en el ámbito de LACNIC como en el 
>ámbito
>de la gestión de esos recursos en Brasil.
>
>[]s fraternos
>
>--c.a.
>
>----------  Mensagem encaminhada  ----------
>
>Subject: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Numbering issues
>Date: Thursday 26 August 2004 14:15
>From: Harold Feld <hfeld at MEDIAACCESS.ORG>
>To: NCUC-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>
>Hi everyone!
>
>I am back from a fantastic conference on community wireless networking.  In
>the United States, there is increasing interest by non-commercial
>organizations to use unlicensed spectrum access to provide free or low-cost
>Internet connectivity to poor urban neighborhoods and rural communities.
>
>At the conference, I discovered that there is an urgent need for more
>address space.  Nearly all community wireless networks are deployed behind
>NAT boxes, which creates difficulties for those trying to foster
>independent community media projects or voice over IP for community networks.
>
>The issue is purely financial.  Community networks cannot afford v6 blocks
>of address space.    While address blocks are modestly priced by commercial
>standards, they are beyond the reach of community wireless projects.  I had
>one administrator tell me that the cost of a v6 block would be higher than
>the cost of his entire network combined.  What is worse, because it is an
>annual registration fee, v6 space would constitute a continuing
>expense.  Even if a network can raise the money for an initial registration
>via a grant, there is a problem of sustainability.
>
>In any event, what is needed is not a one shot cure for a single network,
>but a systemic way of addressing the issue.  I would very much like to talk
>to people in the RIR community about this issue in the hopes of working out
>a solution (I have some ideas).  But I do not know who in the RIR community
>or the broader ICANN community would be interested and sympathetic to the
>issue.
>
>I suspect this issue goes beyond the scope of the NCUC, since this is the
>naming side of the street. However, I expect that access to address space
>has been a long standing issue outside of the U.S., and would be very eager
>to hear from anyone outside the U.S. what problems getting affordable
>address space you have and what solutions (other than NAT) are available.
>
>Finally, if there is a sense within the Consticuency that numbering issues
>are appropriately addressed here (since there is no other place within the
>ICANN structure to raise issues of unique concern to the noncommercial
>community), please let me know.
>
>Harold Feld
>
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