[LACNIC/Politicas] [LAC-TF] Fwd:I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
rgaglian at adinet.com.uy
rgaglian at adinet.com.uy
Wed Jul 20 11:09:38 BRT 2005
Erik,
Sabes si LacTLD esta trabajando en este tema tambien?
Roque
>-- Mensaje original --
>Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:13:40 -0500
>To: german at lacnic.net,<lactf at lac.ipv6tf.org>,<rgaglian at adinet.com.uy>
>From: Erick Iriarte Ahon <faia at amauta.rcp.net.pe>
>Subject: Re: [LACNIC/Politicas] [LAC-TF]
> Fwd:I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
>Cc: politicas at lacnic.net
>
>
>Hola German.
>
>>Creo que Roque ha hecho una observacion muy interesante. Efectivamente,
>las
>>reasignaciones de un /48 deberan registrarse en el WHOIS asi sea a usuarios
>>residenciales por lo que la politica de privacidad que se planteo dias
atras
>>vuelve a resultar interesante analizar.
>
>Concuerdo con lo que indicas, el punto claro es establecer el dato del
>whois hasta que nivel lo queremos llevar?.
>
>>La decision de implementar o no esquemas de privacidad de datos en la base
>>de datos WHOIS de LACNIC es un tema que recae directamente en los
>>miembrosde la lista de politicas y asistentes al foro publico. Si bien
>>tiene aristas
>>legales la decision de si LACNIC debe implementar una politica similar
es
>de
>>ustedes.
>
>En general, las aristas legales (y en todos los casos existen las mismas),
>
>no deben ser entendidas como "bloqueos" sino como "encaminadores" dentro
>de
>procesos sociales en los cuales vivimos.
>
>> En otras regiones tal como lo menciona Marcelo el tema de
>>privacidad de datos fue resuelto dejando a decision del ISP cuales
>>asignaciones de sus clientes serian publicos a traves del WHOIS pero en
>>definitiva todas las reasignaciones se registran la diferencia es determinar
>>si son publicas o no.
>
>Pero tengamos en cuenta, que en otras regiones (como es el caso europeo
en
>
>particular), esta claramente definido normativas sobre datos
>personales/privacidad, mientras que en nuestra region asi de explicito
>solo Argentina.
>
>>La cuestion es determinar si hay una necesidad de un cambio asi y si hay
>>quienes lo apoyen
>
>SIn embargo creo que sera una interesante experiencia el poder trabajar
en
>
>politicas de privacidad en relacion al whois.
>
>Erick
>
>
>
>>Saludos
>>
>> German Valdez
>>LACNIC
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>> > -----Mensaje original-----
>> > De: lactf-bounces at lac.ipv6tf.org
>> > [mailto:lactf-bounces at lac.ipv6tf.org] En nombre de marcelo
>> > bagnulo braun
>> > Enviado el: Martes, 19 de Julio de 2005 06:00 a.m.
>> > Para: rgaglian at adinet.com.uy
>> > CC: lactf at lac.ipv6tf.org; politicas at lacnic.net
>> > Asunto: Re: [LAC-TF] [LACNIC/Politicas] Fwd:I-D
>> > ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
>> >
>> > Hola Roque,
>> >
>> > no he seguido muy de cerca este ultimo tema que mencionas,
>> > pero creo recordar que en otras regiones solucionaron esto
>> > dejando a discrecion del ISP si poner o no en el WHOIS los
>> > datos de los clientes finales, por lo que no me queda claro
>> > que esto sea un problema grave, pero como dije no estoy muy
>> > puesto en esto, asi que si me podes corregir...?
>> >
>> > saludos, marcelo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > El 19/07/2005, a las 2:10, rgaglian at adinet.com.uy escribió:
>> >
>> > > Creo que un punto que no podemos perder desde el punto de
>> > vista de los
>> > > operadores es que si se mantiene el /48 como unidad de
>> > asignación, se
>> > > deberá registrar a cada usuario residencial (ADSL, etc) en
>> > la base de
>> > > datos Whois, con el correspondiente costo administrativo y con un
>> > > agravamiento de los problemas de confidencialidad ya planteados en
>> > > esta lista.
>> > >
>> > > Roque
>> > >
>> > >> -- Mensaje original --
>> > >> Cc: lactf at lac.ipv6tf.org, politicas at lacnic.net
>> > >> From: marcelo bagnulo braun <marcelo at it.uc3m.es>
>> > >> Subject: Re: [LACNIC/Politicas] Fwd:
>> > >> I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
>> > >> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:52:02 +0200
>> > >> To: rgaglian at adinet.com.uy
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hola Roque,
>> > >>
>> > >> si, a mi me parece un disparate tambien
>> > >>
>> > >> tener en cuenta que la eficiencia requerida resultante del
>> > uso del HD
>> > >> ratio para un /19 es de 1,8%!!!!
>> > >>
>> > >> ademas, en
>> > draft-narten-iana-rir-ipv6-considerations-00.txt se lantea
>> > >> un ejemplo que me parece ilustrar muy bien tu preocupacion, lo
>> > >> transcribo para uds.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> 4.1. An example: Cable Modem/DSL Service in US
>> > >>
>> > >> In the hallway at a recent ARIN meeting, I was cornered
>> > by someone
>> > >> who had done a back-of-the envelope calculation that led him to
>> > >> believe the current policies needed adjustment. The
>> > argument went
>> > >> like:
>> > >>
>> > >> If I assign 4M /48Ç«÷s of IPv6 (one to each cable modem on
my
>> > >> network), according to the HD-ratio I am justified to obtain
>> > >> something around a /20 of IPv6 addresses. In other
>> > words, I am
>> > >> justified in getting 268M /48Ç«÷s even though I am
>> > only using
>> > >> 4M
>> > >
>> > >> of
>> > >> them. That would be enough for me to assign at least two for
>> > >> every household in the US (not just the 19M on my network).
>> > >>
>> > >> Now if all the cable providers (e.g., Comcast, Cox, Adelphia,
>> > >> Cablevision, Time-Warner, etc.) did the same for
>> > their networks;
>> > >> and each of the DSL companies made a similar move
>> > (SBC, Verizon,
>> > >> Quest, etc.); perhaps we could easily see the
>> > broadband market
>> > >> in
>> > >> the US alone obtaining some 16 /20Ç«÷s of IPv6 or a total of
>> > >> /16.
>> > >> There are only 8192 of those available in the current global
>> > >> unicast space of 2001::/3.
>> > >>
>> > >> Anyhow, you can see where this might lead...
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Saludos, marcelo
>> > >>
>> > >> PD: este tema se esta discutiendo en la lista global-v6
>> > >> global-v6 mailing list
>> > >> global-v6 at lists.apnic.net
>> > >> http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/global-v6
>> > >> seria bueno que enviaramos nuestros comentarios ahi, de
>> > forma que las
>> > >> opiniones del lacnic tambien se tomen en cuenta
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> El 17/07/2005, a las 6:56, rgaglian at adinet.com.uy escribió:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Marcelo,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hace tiempo que queria contestarte este correo con un
>> > comentario que
>> > >>> he escuchado más de una vez.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ¿¿¿Cómo hizo D-Telecom para justificar un /19???
>> > >>>
>> > >>> No he estudiado mucho las políticas actuales de RIPE pero
>> > claramente
>> > >>> se desprende del resto de los RIR por estos bloques gigantes de
>> > >>> direcciones asignados a algunos proveedores.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Un /19 se podría dividir en 539 millones de /48. Es mi
>> > impresión que
>> > >>> el plan de numeración que utilizaron (y amparados en el
>> > RFC vigente)
>> > >>> da un
>> > >>> /48
>> > >>
>> > >>> a
>> > >>> cada usuario DSL y A CADA CELULAR.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Lo que es interesante es que el draft, a primera vista,
>> > no estudia
>> > >>> la
>> > >
>> > >>> asignación
>> > >>> de direcciones para empresas celulares/moviles.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Un abrazo
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Roque
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> -- Mensaje original --
>> > >>>> To: lactf at lac.ipv6tf.org, politicas at lacnic.net
>> > >>>> From: marcelo bagnulo braun <marcelo at it.uc3m.es>
>> > >>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:39:33 +0200
>> > >>>> Subject: [LACNIC/Politicas] Fwd: I-D
>> > >>>> ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> fyi
>> > >>>>
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>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> De: Internet-Drafts at ietf.org
>> > >>>>> Fecha: 12 de julio de 2005 21:50:03 GMT+02:00
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>> > >>>>> Asunto: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
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>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
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>> > >>>>> directories.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Title : IPv6 Address Allocation to End Sites
>> > >>>>> Author(s) : T. Narten, et al.
>> > >>>>> Filename :
>> > draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt
>> > >>>>> Pages : 8
>> > >>>>> Date : 2005-7-12
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> This document revisits the IAB/IESG recommendations on the
>> > >>>>> assignment
>> > >>>>> of IPv6 address space to end sites. Specifically, it
>> > indicates
>> > >>>>> that
>> > >>>>> changing the default end-site assignment for typical
>> > home and
>> > >>>>> SOHO
>> > >>>>> sites from /48 to /56 is consistent with the goals
>> > of IPv6 and
>> > >>>>> RFC
>> > >>>>> 3177. Although it is for the RIR community to make
>> > adjustments
>> > >>>>> to
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> the
>> > >>>>> IPv6 address space allocation and end site
>> > assignment policies,
>> > >>>>> the
>> > >>>>> IETF community would be comfortable with RIRs changing the
>> > >>>>> default
>> > >>>>> assignment size to /56 for smaller end sites. This document
>> > >>>>> obsoletes
>> > >>>>> RFC 3177 and reclassifies it as historic.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> > >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis
>> > >>>>> -48boundary-00.txt
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>> > >>> Ing.Roque Gagliano
>> > >>> rgaglian at adinet.com.uy
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