[LACNIC/Politicas] [ripe-list] Endorsement of Afrinic board candidates
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
jordi.palet at consulintel.es
Wed Jul 3 13:17:11 -03 2019
Hi Fernando,
Yes, I was aware of all those documents, but this kind of situations are *so bad* for the community and the credibility of the RIRs, that I'm asking them to publicly provide answers or react.
As unless is not published, they don't have right now a code of conduct they need to work on one, or we, as a community will develop for them. May be a global policy is needed.
It is clear that we should consider that if ASO-AC members from one RIR are miss-behaving the rest of the community has something to say, including forcing the board of that RIR to remove members.
So hopefully, despite what the chair of the ASO-AC has to say to my email, there will be a public response from our ASO-AC representatives soon (I think this requires a reaction of very few days), or as said, we as a community will do something.
I'm ready to work on a Global Policy Proposal to tackle this next week in case there is no answer before. Hopefully we can avoid this.
I can't imagine what will happen if other ASO-AC members also suggest in whatever RIR next elections for co-chairs or board, who should be voted.
Do you see now my point in LAC-2019-7 about compatibility of positions? I didn't have the crystal ball, believe me!
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 3/7/19 17:55, "Politicas en nombre de Fernando Frediani" <politicas-bounces at lacnic.net en nombre de fhfrediani at gmail.com> escribió:
Hello Jordi
Although the question was not directed to me, with the intent to help
you may or may not find your answer in this URL:
https://aso.icann.org/documents/operational-documents/operating-procedures-of-the-address-council-of-the-address-supporting-organization/
Searching in it it doesn't mention anything specially related to removal
of a ASO-AC person, only people appointed by ASO-AC to some positions in
committees, working groups, task forces, etc.
Also I couldn't find anything related to a Code of Conduct or anything
similar.
The only place it is possible to find something related to this topic is
in the ASO MoU
(https://aso.icann.org/documents/memorandums-of-understanding/memorandum-of-understanding/)
in Section 3, point d where is says: "An ASO Address Council member
originating from a particular RIR region may be removed by that region
according to its published procedures"
Hope it helps
Fernando Frediani
On 03/07/2019 12:23, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Politicas wrote:
> Hola Ricardo,
>
> Gracias por la rápida respuesta, aunque no habéis respondido a las preguntas concretas de si tenéis un código de conducta, y mecanismo de destitución.
>
> Efectivamente ya le había preguntado también al chair, Aftab. Supongo que contestará mañana, por la diferencia horaria.
>
> De todos modos, creo que es un tema grave y las comunidades de los 5 RIRs tienen que estar al corriente.
>
> Igualmente espero que Wafa conteste en la lista de Afrinic, pues se lo acaban de volver a preguntar.
>
> Saludos,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
> El 3/7/19 17:14, "Politicas en nombre de Ricardo Patara" <politicas-bounces at lacnic.net en nombre de patara at registro.br> escribió:
>
> Jordi.
>
> Ninguno de los miembros del ASO/AC pueden hablar individualmente por el órgano.
> Pero igual, si a ti aún así te suena necesario sugiero que haga la pregunta al
> chair.
>
> Y creo que cabe también a la persona que envió el email a la lista de Afrinic
> aclarar su posición. Nadie puede contestar por ella.
>
> Saludos
>
> Ricardo Patara
>
> On 03/07/2019 12:10, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Politicas wrote:
> > Hola a todos,
> >
> > Al igual que se ha preguntado en la lista de RIPE, quiero hacer esta pregunta de forma pública y por cuestión de transparencia, a los representantes de LACNIC en el ASO-AC:
> >
> > ¿El ASO-AC está de-acuerdo en que un miembro del ASO-AC utilice su posición para influenciar a la comunidad en las elecciones de los moderadores de políticas, miembros del directorio, y cargos en diversos comités (en este caso de la región de AFRINIC, pero podría ocurrir en el futuro en otras regiones)?
> >
> > ¿existe algún código de conducta al respecto?
> >
> > ¿Se puede destituir a un miembro del ASO-AC que lo incumple?
> >
> > Detrás va el correo original enviado a RIPE.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Jordi
> > @jordipalet
> >
> >
> >
> > El 3/7/19 17:06, "ripe-list en nombre de JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de ripe-list at ripe.net> escribió:
> >
> > I was shocked when I saw the email in the Afrinic list. For reference:
> > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2019-July/003140.html
> >
> > I will say even more.
> >
> > There is an explicit code of conduct for the members?
> >
> > There is a way for an ASO-AC member to be displaced?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jordi
> > @jordipalet
> >
> >
> >
> > El 3/7/19 15:14, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de sander at steffann.nl> escribió:
> >
> > Hi RIPE ASO/AC delegates,
> >
> > I just read the following on the Afrinic community mailing list, and got a bit concerned:
> >
> > > My name is Wafa Dahmani from Tunisia, an active member of the African community and more specifically AFRINIC: member of the appeal committee; ASO / AC excom member and Ex Chair of Governance Committee '(GC) at AFRINIC.
> > > I contact you to solicit your votes for the following candidates:
> >
> > > [etc]
> >
> > While she doesn't explicitly state that she is soliciting votes on behalf of the ASO/AC, it does seem to imply it.
> >
> > I found it hard to believe that the ASO/AC would agree with this statement as sent by Wafa. I know questions about this have already been sent to the ASO/AC, but I would like some feedback from our own delegates. I wonder whether you were aware of this and what your positions on this are. I suspect that this was not something agreed to by the ASO/AC, or at least not by our own delegates, but I would like that confirmed please :)
> >
> > I though long whether to cross-post this to the ripe-list and in the end decided that I should, for transparency's and accountability's sake.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sander
> >
> >
> >
> >
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