[LACNIC/Politicas] Propuesta de Política Global
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
jordi.palet at consulintel.es
Sun Jun 23 09:25:02 -03 2019
Con este título seguro que todos lo leen y espero que los moderadores no me regañen en exceso ... Como el tema ha surgido en la lista de políticas de AFRINIC, no he podido resistir la tentación, sabiendo que hoy es domingo, y si alguno no lo lee hoy, le alegra la semana cuando lo lea mañana.
Es acerca del "Secret Working Group" de RIPE, que en realidad no existe, pero esta presente en todos los eventos de RIPE ... y solo hay una prueba de su existencia ...
Saludos,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 23/6/19 14:17, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <rpd at afrinic.net> escribió:
Clarification: This secret WG thing is a funny thing that exist only in RIPE. To make it clear is just for fun, nothing serious, so it doesn't exist! However, it is part of the "last" bit of the plenary in every RIPE meeting, and of course, I can't show it because is not recorded, it doesn't exist at all.
We should make clear that is not for real, otherwise participants my believe that we are doing policies under the table or something worst!
I guess Mark is referring to that one?
I think only once it filtered out to the media :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0
You can find other versions googling for "The day the routers died"
Even if it doesn't exist, may be some humorous folks in Afrinic want to start it? I'm not good in humor so unfortunately don't count on me for this. It requires some preparation time, but only takes 10 minutes at the closing plenary.
If you want an example of a policy proposal that I submitted to that secret WG in the last RIPE meeting see below my signature. Unfortunately, you are missing the funniest part which was the presentation of this itself in the non-existing secret working group meeting!
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
Global Policy Proposal: Authors Policy Violation
Justification:
Recently some authors are writing too many policy proposals and in several RIRs, and community doesn’t have sufficient time for debating them.
Even if this may be considered good, not everybody is happy.
So, we need to limit the number of policy proposals per author, unless they are so relevant that are being discussed in several RIRs.
We also need to ensure that authors are collaborative in the discussions, and responding correctly and timely.
Policy text:
Policy proposal authors are only allowed to submit a maximum of 6 proposals per year, unless they are submitted to a minimum of 3 RIRs
Authors are required to respond to every email in the relevant policy list, within a maximum of 6 minutes, at least 18 hours per day, no matter their timezone. Rate limiting will be applied in case the response is not with appropriate in-line quoting.
No more than 66 proposals allowed in 6 years, unless there is a commitment for sending additional 66 proposals among all a minimum of 3 RIRs.
Violation of this policy is a policy violation, punished with the prohibition of participating in the following 6 RIR meetings.
Pros:
a) The mailing list may become too quiet in case of violation.
Cons:
a) We could enjoy more time the bars, socials and cities where the meetings are being held.
b) We may not have more policy authors and discussions (or this is a pro?).
Implementation: Immediate
El 23/6/19 13:54, "Mark Elkins" <mje at posix.co.za> escribió:
I totally agree with you Jordi. The only exception to this would be any
"secret working group" presentations - which anyway should be for
amusement purposes only.
On 2019/06/23 11:08, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've observed that the agenda of the last meeting doesn't yet include the presentations neither the videos.
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> Authors are asked to submit them before the meeting, however, I can't understand how is possible that those aren't then immediately upload to the agenda where everyone can easily access to them.
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> This already happened in the previous event, where I asked explicitly the staff to provide a link to the "Policy Implementation Experience Report", because some of us intended to work "on-site" in drafting some policy proposals to resolve the issues presented. Actually, during the presentation of this report, it was explicitly said that the slides will be publish.
>
> How come we can be on-site, with opportunities to work "on-site" and don't be able to access the materials? This simple aborts chances to improve our on-site collaboration, and we know how difficult is to get the participants engaged afterwards in the list.
>
> Moreover, in this specific meeting, the screen was too small, and instead of being located in the center of the room was at the left, so it was impossible, for half of the participants, seating in the center-right, to see the slides. So having the slides available "on the spot" is a MUST.
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> I don't think is appropriate to send all the presentations as attachments to the list, that why I'm not going to send my own slides to the list.
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> In fact, the right thing to do is to have a much better agenda format for all the meetings (past, present and future), because for historial reasons, and for making sure that policy authors, contributors in the list and whoever want to "know", we need to have a simple access to all the relevant information of every policy proposal.
>
> So please, publish the videos, slides and transcripts in the agenda (https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme#) as latest as tomorrow, so we can continue working in fruitful discussions.
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> Once this is done, please, work in updating the agenda format for the next meetings, and also make sure that videos and slides of previous meetins are available as well.
>
> If I can suggest a better format for the agenda, I will say that you need to look at options for how other RIRs or conferences in general that have paralel tracks to it, and how they are able to have for each presentation, already on-site (some of the points of course are available way ahead before the meeting):
> 1) Title
> 2) Presenter(s)
> 3) Link to slides
> 4) Link to video
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> I'm happy to work with the staff if they need help to improve this, review possible formats, etc.
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> Again, not trying to blame anyone, just trying to get everything improved so it works better for everyone. Probably the staff can't "see" this issue, because they have an internal contant management system or folders, where they have this information already.
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> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
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