[LACNIC/Politicas] Nueva propuesta LAC-2020-1 / Nova proposta LAC-2020-1 / New proposal LAC-2020-1

Tue Jan 28 12:26:03 GMT+3 2020

Hola Nicolas, gracias por tus comentarios.

No sé si viniste a ver los detalles de la justificación de la propuesta, 
pero intentaré reproducirlos aquí para profundizar en las razones y 
motivaciones.

En mi opinión, cuando un ISP que transfiere más y más bloques de IPv4 
sin tener IPv6 operativo está agravando aún más el problema de escasez, 
mucho más de lo que parece. Y este no es solo un problema privado que 
afecta solo a la organización misma, sino a todos los demás que *se 
interconectan* en ese ecosistema, después de todo en Internet nadie es 
un Sistema Autónomo solo.
Por lo tanto, lo menos que puede hacer cualquiera que haya transferido 
más bloques de IPv4 es ser justo con los demás y demostrar que tienen 
IPv6 operativo en un intento por reducir este problema creciente.

Todavía tenemos al menos 10 a 20 años de dependencia significativa de 
IPv4 en el futuro, y si acciones como esta no se llevan a cabo, muchos 
problemas y conflictos sucederán y empeorarán, y el lugar más probable 
en el que tendrán que ser tratados es en el RIR, más especialmente en 
esta lista de políticas. No hacer nada ahora dificultará mas la 
resolución de este problema y los conflictos que surjan en el futuro 
cercano.

Además, esta propuesta responde a una llamada del Directorio de LACNIC 
para propuestas que promueven la implementación de IPv6.

Finalmente, algo importante a tener en cuenta es que una de las 
prerrogativas de este foro es establecer las reglas mínimas necesarias 
para que los registros se realicen en whois y no hay ningún problema en 
agregar este requisito, ya que hay otros como enviar la documentación 
necesaria para probar necesidad, de lo contrario ni siquiera podríamos 
exigir que se haga este.

Si este foro comprende que la transferencia de más y más IPv4 sin la 
contrapartida de tener IPv6 operativo perjudica a toda la comunidad, no 
hay impedimento para exigir este requisito para que se ajusten los 
registros whois.

Un saludo
Fernando Frediani

On 28/01/2020 12:06, Nicolas Antoniello wrote:
> Hola Fernando y lista,
>
> En principio no estoy de acuerdo con generar políticas que obliguen a IPv6
> a cambio de poder transferir bloques IPv4.
> Me parece que podríamos estar mezclando temas de una forma muy forzada.
>
> Se me ocurren varios casos en los que se podrían transferir bloques IPv4
> sin que ello implique siquiera probar ningún tipo de operación particular.
>
> Repito que en principio no me parece razonable. La necesidad de despliegue
> de IPv6 es ya un hecho... y el que no lo haga al único que perjudica es a
> él mismo (sobre todo pequeños ISPs con necesidad o perspectiva de
> crecimiento)... entonces para que nuevas obligaciones cruzadas??
>
> Otro aspecto no menor es que nuevamente creo que las políticas de
> transferencias no son para “autorizar” las mismas sino para mantener
> coherencia y vigencia en el registro de Lacnic... el hecho de poner
> cualquier tipo de impedimento forzado no va a evitar la transferencia sino
> que lo que seguramente suceda es que no quede registro de la misma en
> Lacnic (que es justamente lo que no queremos que suceda no?).
>
> Saludo fraterno,
> Nico
>
>
>
> El vie., 17 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 13:16, <info-politicas at lacnic.net>
> escribió:
>
>> [Português abaixo]
>> [English below]
>>
>> Estimados suscriptores de la Lista de Políticas de LACNIC,
>>
>> Se recibió una nueva propuesta de Política, se le asignó el id LAC-2020-1.
>>
>> Título: Add IPv6 operational as a requirement for IPv4 transfers
>>
>> Resumen: On 15th February 2017 LACNIC started IPv4 Exhaustion Phase 3
>> meaning only new entrants can receive up to a single /22 of IPv4 space.
>> Since then the amount of IPv4 Transfers between organizations has increased
>> reasonably as shown by the official LACNIC reports. With the implementation
>> of LAC-2019-1 and possibility of Inter-RIR transfers these numbers have the
>> potential to grow substantially.
>>
>> The objective of this proposal is to add as a requirement for
>> organizations in process of receiving transferred IPv4 space under 2.3.2.18
>> to show they have an IPv6 allocation by LACNIC operational on their
>> networks. Such organization must be able to prove this IPv6 space is being
>> used by providing LACNIC the documented network deployment details to prove
>> IPv6 is operational in significant parts of the network.
>>
>> On 28th November 2019 LACNIC Board issued a statement (
>> https://www.lacnic.net/4283/2/lacnic/lacnic-board-calls-on-the-community-to-promote-ipv6-deployment)
>> reinforcing the issue about IPv4 exhaustion, mentioning IPv4 address space
>> will be exhausted by mid-2020 and calling the community to promote IPv6
>> deployment.
>> In its statement LACNIC Board “invite the community to work on promoting
>> the development of policies that will accelerate the effective deployment
>> of IPv6 above other policies that may be discussed at a later date.”
>>
>> In the case the receiver provides a written statement from its upstream
>> that IPv6 connectivity is unavailable, the IPv6 requirement may be waived.
>>
>> Para ver el detalle ingrese en:
>> https://politicas.lacnic.net/politicas/detail/id/LAC-2020-1
>>
>> Los comentarios y los puntos de vista aportados por la comunidad son
>> vitales para el correcto desarrollo del proceso de la propuestas
>> - ¿Apoya usted o se opone a esta propuesta?
>> - ¿Esta propuesta resolvería un problema que usted está experimentando?-
>> ¿Ve alguna desventaja en esta propuesta?
>> - ¿Qué cambios podrían hacerse a esta propuesta para que sea más eficaz?
>>
>> Por más información contacte a info-politicas at lacnic.net
>> Saludos cordiales,
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Prezados assinantes da lista de políticas de LACNIC,
>>
>> Foi recebida uma nova proposta de Política, foi atribuído o id LAC-2020-1.
>>
>> Título: Add IPv6 operational as a requirement for IPv4 transfers
>>
>> Resumo: On 15th February 2017 LACNIC started IPv4 Exhaustion Phase 3
>> meaning only new entrants can receive up to a single /22 of IPv4 space.
>> Since then the amount of IPv4 Transfers between organizations has increased
>> reasonably as shown by the official LACNIC reports. With the implementation
>> of LAC-2019-1 and possibility of Inter-RIR transfers these numbers have the
>> potential to grow substantially.
>>
>> The objective of this proposal is to add as a requirement for
>> organizations in process of receiving transferred IPv4 space under 2.3.2.18
>> to show they have an IPv6 allocation by LACNIC operational on their
>> networks. Such organization must be able to prove this IPv6 space is being
>> used by providing LACNIC the documented network deployment details to prove
>> IPv6 is operational in significant parts of the network.
>>
>> On 28th November 2019 LACNIC Board issued a statement (
>> https://www.lacnic.net/4283/2/lacnic/lacnic-board-calls-on-the-community-to-promote-ipv6-deployment)
>> reinforcing the issue about IPv4 exhaustion, mentioning IPv4 address space
>> will be exhausted by mid-2020 and calling the community to promote IPv6
>> deployment.
>> In its statement LACNIC Board “invite the community to work on promoting
>> the development of policies that will accelerate the effective deployment
>> of IPv6 above other policies that may be discussed at a later date.”
>>
>> In the case the receiver provides a written statement from its upstream
>> that IPv6 connectivity is unavailable, the IPv6 requirement may be waived.
>>
>> Para ver o detalhe acesse:
>> https://politicas.lacnic.net/politicas/detail/id/LAC-2020-1
>>
>>   Os comentários e os pontos de vista aportados pela comunidade são vitais
>> para o bom desenvolvimento do processo das propostas
>> - ¿Você é a favor ou contra desta proposta?
>> - ¿Esta proposta iria resolver um problema que você está experimentando?-
>> ¿Vê alguma alguma desvantagem nesta proposta?
>> - ¿Que mudanças poderiam ser feitas à proposta para que seja mais eficaz?
>>
>>   Por mais informações entre em contato conosco através do seguinte e-mail:
>> info-politicas at lacnic.net
>> Atenciosamente,
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Dear LACNIC Policy List subscribers,
>>
>> A new Policy Proposal has been received and assigned the following ID:
>> LAC-2020-1.
>>
>> Title: Add IPv6 operational as a requirement for IPv4 transfers
>>
>> Summary: On 15th February 2017 LACNIC started IPv4 Exhaustion Phase 3
>> meaning only new entrants can receive up to a single /22 of IPv4 space.
>> Since then the amount of IPv4 Transfers between organizations has increased
>> reasonably as shown by the official LACNIC reports. With the implementation
>> of LAC-2019-1 and possibility of Inter-RIR transfers these numbers have the
>> potential to grow substantially.
>>
>> The objective of this proposal is to add as a requirement for
>> organizations in process of receiving transferred IPv4 space under 2.3.2.18
>> to show they have an IPv6 allocation by LACNIC operational on their
>> networks. Such organization must be able to prove this IPv6 space is being
>> used by providing LACNIC the documented network deployment details to prove
>> IPv6 is operational in significant parts of the network.
>>
>> On 28th November 2019 LACNIC Board issued a statement (
>> https://www.lacnic.net/4283/2/lacnic/lacnic-board-calls-on-the-community-to-promote-ipv6-deployment)
>> reinforcing the issue about IPv4 exhaustion, mentioning IPv4 address space
>> will be exhausted by mid-2020 and calling the community to promote IPv6
>> deployment.
>> In its statement LACNIC Board “invite the community to work on promoting
>> the development of policies that will accelerate the effective deployment
>> of IPv6 above other policies that may be discussed at a later date.”
>>
>> In the case the receiver provides a written statement from its upstream
>> that IPv6 connectivity is unavailable, the IPv6 requirement may be waived.
>>
>> To read the proposal, please go to
>> https://politicas.lacnic.net/politicas/detail/id/LAC-2020-1
>>
>> The community's comments and opinions are essential to the proper
>> functioning of the policy development process.
>> - Do you support this policy or are you against it?
>> - Would this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing?- Do you think
>> this proposal has any drawbacks?
>> - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
>>
>> For further information, please contact info-politicas at lacnic.net
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> 
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