[lacnog] [BCOP] BCOP Draft-2: open for comments
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
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Mar Jun 19 13:16:05 BRT 2018
I think you're reading an older version. It has been decided to be a complementary document from RFC7084, not updating it.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas/?include_text=1
Regards,
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Fecha: martes, 19 de junio de 2018, 17:52
Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet en consulintel.es>, This list is to discuss BCOPs in LACNOG <bcop en lacnog.org>, Latin America and Caribbean Region Network Operators Group <lacnog en lacnic.net>
Asunto: Re: [BCOP] BCOP Draft-2: open for comments
On 19/06/18 12:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
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Yes, BCOPs should be updated frequently but is not desirable to
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I keep my view that we can't put a MUST requirement in something that is
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So IF APPROVED it will turn into a MUST requirement in the BCOP.
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> > Asunto: Re: [BCOP] BCOP Draft-2: open for comments
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> > > I see your point, and I hope nobody is so short-minded to read the document that way.
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> > > GR-03: The CPE MUST support IPv6 following RFC7084 and transition mechanisms (draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas), in order to avoid the risk of a premature obsolescence.
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> > > It is a "minimum security for acquisition", not minimum features ... Those features are better documented in RFC7084 and if you want to support transition soon, hopefully in the RFC resulting from draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas
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