[lacnog] Subasignación de prefijos a otro ASN y el tema con los RoA

[Rubens Kuhl]

Then just publish a full list of those RIR-assigned IP blocks being
leased. Nothing to fear, right ?
At least for ARIN, LACNIC, APNIC and AfriNIC, since RIPE doesn't look
into the reason to allocate IPv4 as you mentioned.


Rubens


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:24 PM Mike Burns <mike en iptrading.com> wrote:
>
> Not true, Rubens, there is no prohibition on leasing non-legacy blocks.
> There is a difference between initial justification requirements, where leasing is NOT a justified need, and leasing already registered addresses.
>
> You can't get new addresses by saying you plan to lease them out.
> If you have addresses already,  you can lease them out.
> In RIPE, you don't have to give any reason to purchase Ipv4, so you could say I want to purchase IPv4 so that I can rent them out. People are doing that today because there is a need for those services, and they ARE NOT PROHIBITED.
>
> I have been leasing non-legacy addresses to clients all around the world, including Latin America, for nearly a decade. I am not hiding, if there is a prohibition, maybe I would have heard about it?
>
> There is a lot of misinformation being peddled here.
> Sorry for the English.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LACNOG <lacnog-bounces en lacnic.net> On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2022 3:04 PM
> To: Latin America and Caribbean Region Network Operators Group <lacnog en lacnic.net>
> Subject: Re: [lacnog] Subasignación de prefijos a otro ASN y el tema con los RoA
>
> Leasing of legacy IANA assigned IP blocks is not prohibited. Leasing of RIR-assigned blocks is very unlikely to be allowed, since that reasoning for getting an IP block would need to be specified at request time. The risk in leasing RIR-assigned blocks is very high, and those IPs are the blood diamonds of the Internet age.
>
>
> Rubens
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 4:48 PM Mike Burns <mike en iptrading.com> wrote:
> >
> > Untrue, leasing is not prohibited, if it were, there wouldn’t be sites like ipxo.com.
> >
> > Do a google search for “ipv4 leasing” and see how prohibited it is.
> >
> > Fernando, can you do us the favor of pointing out where leasing is prohibited in policy or law?
> >
> > I have already told you that advertising blocks under the ASN of non-owners of the block is perfectly acceptable and commonplace among cloud providers who offer “bring-your-own-addresses” services, like Oracle and AWS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Salvador, you can certainly get ROAs for leased blocks, except where RPKI is prohibited, as it is for ARIN legacy holders who haven’t signed a registration agreement.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you need to lease blocks with an ROA, it is not difficult to find lessors that will offer that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike Burns
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: LACNOG <lacnog-bounces en lacnic.net> On Behalf Of Fernando
> > Frediani
> > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2022 2:27 PM
> > To: lacnog en lacnic.net
> > Subject: Re: [lacnog] Subasignación de prefijos a otro ASN y el tema
> > con los RoA
> >
> >
> >
> > Hola Salvador
> >
> > Como mencionaste que están involucrados brokers/renters de IP, es claro que estamos hablando de arrendamiento de direcciones IP y es importante aclarar algunos puntos importantes para que nadie esté operando direcciones registradas en la región de LACNIC de manera incorrecta. Con o sin existencia de ROAs para el prefijo en cuestión *en la región de LACNIC* (y en algunas otras regiones del mundo) *no se permite el arrendamiento o préstamo de direcciones IP de un ASN a otro*.
> >
> > Independiente el motivo, ya sea por escasez de direcciones IPv4 o por otro, no está permitido arrendamiento y no es correcto que una ASN alquile direcciones registradas en la región LACNIC a otra ASN.
> > Incluso se pueden utilizar prefijos registrados en otras regiones que lo permitan, pero no los registrados en la región de LACNIC.
> >
> > Las únicas 2 formas de lidiar con este problema aquí son el proceso de Transferencias de prefijos de un ASN a otro de manera definitiva (que puede ser facilitado por un intermediario) o con mayor uso de IPv6 y menor dependencia de IPv4.
> > Por lo tanto, incluso si la propuesta de política LAC-2020-10 llega a un consenso, no podría usarse para los prefijos de la región de LACNIC si se están arrendando a otra ASN.
> >
> > Los ASN quien hizo sus prefijos registrados per LACNIC estén disponibles para alquiler a través de un intermediario corren el riesgo de caer en el proceso de recuperación.
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> > Em 03/02/2022 15:31, Salvador Bertenbreiter escreveu:
> >
> > Hola a todos,
> >
> > Espero estén bien, hay un tema sobre el cual me gustaría iniciar la conversación, IP brokers/renters y certificados RoA.
> >
> >
> >
> > Due to the exhaustion of IPv4 blocks, new ISPs that are getting their ASN and IPv6 block in LACNIC are needed to obtain at least one IPv4 /24 block with an IP broker (or similar). Because even if they are delivering IPv6 addressing to their clients, they still need even a /24 to raise bgp in IPv4 and then do CG-NAT for that traffic.
> >
> >
> >
> > The problem I see is that most, at least of the several I've had contact with, of IP brokers (and international carriers that undersign IPs) are not offering to issue a RoA for prefixes that they sub-assign to another ASN, which I think is a problem as it breaks the path to greater adoption of RPKI. How do you think this situation could be improved/solved?
> >
> >
> >
> >  Saludos,
> >
> >
> >
> > Salvador
> >
> >
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