[lacnog]         Subasignación de prefijos a otro ASN y el tema con los RoA

[Mike Burns]

Hi Rubens,

I'm going to ignore the childish ad hominem.

My facts stand, yours were proven incorrect.
You were the one saying only legacy addresses can be leased. Still standing
by that one?
You won't point to any policy or RSA that prevents leasing and you ignore
the many lease providers operating today.

My facts are:
 that only LACNIC and AFRINIC registered blocks pose any risk at all due to
RSA language
 non-legacy space is leasable safely
 leasing with ROA is being done today and I  am the only one who answered
the OP correctly on his question. 

Regards,
Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: LACNOG <lacnog-bounces en lacnic.net> On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2022 10:36 AM
To: Latin America and Caribbean Region Network Operators Group
<lacnog en lacnic.net>
Subject: Re: [lacnog]
        Subasignación de prefijos a
otro ASN y el tema con los RoA

Telling others to jump off a cliff when you sell tickets for that is just
convenient, isn't it ?

I stand by everything I said when leasing: perform due diligence and don't
think it is all right just because the person profiting from it tells you
so. And that even blocks from pre-ICP2 RIRs can mean trouble, depending on
specifics.


Rubens



On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 11:40 AM Mike Burns <mike en iptrading.com> wrote:
>
> My first two questions were incorrectly phrased and meant to be together.
You can lease blocks anywhere in the world but if they're lacnic or afrinic
there is a risk. As far as you coming to understand that non-legacy blocks
are currently in lease today I suggest you just email JCurran en arin.net if
you feel he will give you a dispositive answer but you are wrong and we
should not let wrong information persist on this list.
>
> As I said earlier there are increasing demands for leasing as a result of
the very steep purchase prices and the misinformation you are providing is
not helping Network operators.
>
> At least the original poster received a correct answer to his question
through this discourse.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> ---- On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:46:35 -0500 rubensk en gmail.com wrote ----
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:34 PM Mike Burns <mike en iptrading.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rubens,
> >
> > Are we in agreement that leasing of both legacy and non-legacy space is
legal and policy-compliant everywhere in the world?
>
> No, we are not.
>
> > But that you can't lease out addresses registered in LACNIC and AFRINIC
without risk of revocation?
>
> In this we agree.
>
> > And that the original poster did not think that leasing with ROA was
possible, but it is in fact possible?
>
> Now he knows. ;-)
>
> > Are you still of the belief that only legacy blocks can be leased?
>
> Yes, and I will try test cases with all RIRs you believe allow that as 
> soon as such blocks come to my attention.
>
> > You can be in Latin America or Africa and lease blocks from a lessor in
ARIN, APNIC, or RIPE, receive an ROA, and break no laws or policies.
> > I hope everybody understands this.
>
> That depends on the origin of the block and how such a block came to 
> be allocated to the lessor. So different from your very self-serving 
> advice, my advice is for networks to perform very thorough due 
> diligence on the origin of the block.
>
> But indeed this is not related to where the network leasing the block 
> operates or where the company is incorporated. All RIRs will respect 
> the original allocating authority judgment on the righteousness of the 
> lease.
>
> > You can say hi to John Curran and give him my regards as he educates
you.
>
> ICANN canceling Puerto Rico will likely postpone that for a while, but 
> there are some online opportunities I could take to discuss this 
> subject with him.
>
> Rubens
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