[lacnog]         Subasignación de prefijos a otro ASN y el tema con los RoA

[Rubens Kuhl]

Telling others to jump off a cliff when you sell tickets for that is
just convenient, isn't it ?

I stand by everything I said when leasing: perform due diligence and
don't think it is all right just because the person profiting from it
tells you so. And that even blocks from pre-ICP2 RIRs can mean
trouble, depending on specifics.


Rubens



On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 11:40 AM Mike Burns <mike en iptrading.com> wrote:
>
> My first two questions were incorrectly phrased and meant to be together.  You can lease blocks anywhere in the world but if they're lacnic or afrinic there is a risk. As far as you coming to understand that non-legacy blocks are currently in lease today I suggest you just email JCurran en arin.net if you feel he will give you a dispositive answer but you are wrong and we should not let wrong information persist on this list.
>
> As I said earlier there are increasing demands for leasing as a result of the very steep purchase prices and the misinformation you are providing is not helping Network operators.
>
> At least the original poster received a correct answer to his question through this discourse.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> ---- On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:46:35 -0500 rubensk en gmail.com wrote ----
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:34 PM Mike Burns <mike en iptrading.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rubens,
> >
> > Are we in agreement that leasing of both legacy and non-legacy space is legal and policy-compliant everywhere in the world?
>
> No, we are not.
>
> > But that you can't lease out addresses registered in LACNIC and AFRINIC without risk of revocation?
>
> In this we agree.
>
> > And that the original poster did not think that leasing with ROA was possible, but it is in fact possible?
>
> Now he knows. ;-)
>
> > Are you still of the belief that only legacy blocks can be leased?
>
> Yes, and I will try test cases with all RIRs you believe allow that as
> soon as such blocks come to my attention.
>
> > You can be in Latin America or Africa and lease blocks from a lessor in ARIN, APNIC, or RIPE, receive an ROA, and break no laws or policies.
> > I hope everybody understands this.
>
> That depends on the origin of the block and how such a block came to
> be allocated to the lessor. So different from your very self-serving
> advice, my advice is for networks to perform very thorough due
> diligence on the origin of the block.
>
> But indeed this is not related to where the network leasing the block
> operates or where the company is incorporated. All RIRs will respect
> the original allocating authority judgment on the righteousness of the
> lease.
>
> > You can say hi to John Curran and give him my regards as he educates you.
>
> ICANN canceling Puerto Rico will likely postpone that for a while, but
> there are some online opportunities I could take to discuss this
> subject with him.
>
> Rubens
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