[LACNIC/Politicas] Costos por IP al Agotamiento de IPv4

[Arturo Servin]

	Thank you for explaining how the $4 are obtained, for some reason I couldn't access the link in your presentation.

Regards,
-as

On 11 Oct 2010, at 12:18, Hannigan, Martin wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Arturo,
> 
> Not much of a model aside from what I used as the "market maker". There has
> been significant amounts of eBay activity in the past and there also has
> been a paid "transfer of assets" observed in an RIR region[a] that had been
> documented and both numbers coincide. The first reference was based on the
> attempted transfer of a /24 on eBay and the bid price that I have access to
> is $4. The second transfer that was attempted was executed for ~$250,000 and
> with the expenses brought it to a similar cost.
> 
> Since this was a lightening talk, I opted to utilize the publicly available
> reference materials versus some extended research since I felt that this was
> "reasonable".
> 
> For both references to $4, see [1] noted in the presentation.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> -M<
> 
> 
> [a] eBay does not allow the auction of IPV4 addresses and shuts down the
> auctions when notified. The [un]fortunate effect is that we never see the
> auctions get to the closing, the last 60s of the auction, where all of the
> real pricing action takes place. Based on that, I think that my $4 number is
> actually unrealistically "low".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/11/10 10:03 AM, "Arturo Servin" <aservin at lacnic.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Martin,
>> 
>> You have an interesting point in your presentation and how in a long/mid/short
>> term IPv4 could be more costly than IPv6. From a research point of view (which
>> is another interest to me), do you have some references about your
>> mathematical model? (I am thinking about the 4 USD per address, how did you
>> get it?)
>> 
>> I couldn't find them in your presentation and I think it would be an
>> interesting reading.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> -asn
>> 
>> On 11 Oct 2010, at 03:31, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hola Arturo:
>>> 
>>> Mi espanol no bueno; I will reply in English. I apologize in advance.
>>> 
>>> I agree, it's a moot point, mostly. For example, if we compare the amount of
>>> press the y2k software issue was receiving in YR 2000 at a similar time
>>> period prior to the actual event taking place we are nowhere near that level
>>> of interest with IPv6 transition.  I would argue that this may be even
>>> bigger. 
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure this issue is so finite after all. But if you imply it's time
>>> to get moving with IPV6, I agree.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> -M<
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/7/10 6:38 AM, "Arturo Servin" <aservin at lacnic.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Interesante, aunque como todos estos temas debatibles.
>>>> 
>>>> Me recuerda a aquellos años a principios del milenio donde se discutía la
>>>> terminación de IPv4 y la confiabilidad de los modelos.
>>>> 
>>>> Saludos,
>>>> -as
>>>> 
>>>> On 6 Oct 2010, at 11:53, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Ayer en NANOG 50 Martin Hannigan presento un "lightning talk" en el cual
>>>>> hace un analisis de costos de las direcciones IPv4 en el momento del
>>>>> agotamiento.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mas allá de que sus números puedan ser criticables, creo que el punto que
>>>>> hace es mas que valido.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Les paso el link a la presentacion y a la planilla Excel con su modelo:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog50/presentations/Tuesday/NANOG50.Talk64.
>>>>> ha
>>>>> nnigan-ltalk-50.pdf
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog50/presentations/Tuesday/NANOG50.Talk64.
>>>>> ha
>>>>> nnigan-ltalk-50.xls
>>>>> 
>>>>> slds,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carlos
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