[LACNIC/Politicas] [lacnog] Fwd: APNIC Announces its IPv4 Address Pool Reaches Final /8

Fri Apr 15 20:03:14 BRT 2011

	Además de lo que menciona Christian también asignamos recursos v4 a organizaciones que no tienen ASNs. 

Saludos,
.as


On 15 Apr 2011, at 19:27, Christian O'Flaherty wrote:

> Hola,
> 
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Alejandro Acosta
> <alejandroacostaalamo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hola lista,
>>  ¿Que el prefijo sea anuncio por un as asignado por lacnic?. Entre otros
>> 
> 
> El problema es que actualmente algunos ASs de otras regiones originan
> prefijos de Lacnic en nuestra región. Uno es Global Crossing, debe
> haber otros. Eso está permitido.
> 
> Otro problema con esas cláusulas técnicas es que siempre se puede
> hacer trampa cumpliendo con lo que está escrito (por ej. originar el
> bloque grande en LAC pero otros mas específicos en Asia).
> 
> Christian
> 
> 
>> Saludos,
>> 
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: Christian O'Flaherty
>> Enviados:  15/04/2011 15:34:40
>> Para: Latin America and Caribbean Region Network Operators Group
>> Cc: Tomas Lynch; politicas at lacnic.net; carlos at lacnic.net
>> Asunto:  Re: [LACNIC/Politicas] [lacnog] Fwd: APNIC Announces its IPv4 Address Pool Reaches Final /8
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Tomas Lynch <tomas.lynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ¿Cómo se controla que se use en la región? Es decir, supongamos que
>>> una empresa de Asia recibe un prefijo de LACNIC, ¿cuántas veces es
>>> necesario detectarlo para decirle "por favor devuelva las redes"? Eso
>>> tendría que estar estipulado en la política.
>> 
>> Podríamos poner "que los recursos IP deberán estar configurados en
>> equipos instalados en la región" pero asi dejaremos la puerta abierta
>> a "trucos" que permitirán usar esos IP en otro lugar aunque estén
>> configurados en un router por aquí.
>> 
>> El objetivo de la propuesta es que el staff de Lacnic tenga respaldo
>> para poder rechazar un pedido de una empresa de otra región. Creo que
>> el texto debe ser bien simple y claro para que sea útil
>> 
>> Christian
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Tomás
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Christian O'Flaherty
>>> <christian.oflaherty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Deberíamos tener una oración bien simple entre las políticas que diga
>>>> claramente que las direcciones IP que asigna Lacnic son para usarse en
>>>> nuestra región.
>>>> Enviaré una propuesta.
>>>> 
>>>> Christian
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Nicolas Antoniello
>>>> <nantoniello at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> <chair hat = off>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todo es posible...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Esa es una de las "alternativas" que en su momento algunos manejamos como
>>>>> mecanismos que van en favor de una corrida de solicitud de direcciones IPv4
>>>>> en nuestra región.
>>>>> Además, el hecho de que en nuestra región no sea necesario disponer de
>>>>> sistema autónomo (asignado por la propia LACNIC) para solicitar direcciones,
>>>>> hasta podría facilitar (aunque solo sea un poco) esa alternativa.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Con esto no digo que sea bueno exigir AS para solicitar direcciones IP...
>>>>> sino que (en mi opinión) la ausencia podría simplificar la solicitud y el
>>>>> uso de las direcciones.
>>>>> 
>>>>> La pregunta podría formularse de esta manera:
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Con las políticas actuales, que impide que alguien que NO tenga Sistema
>>>>> Autónomo solicitado a LACNIC, haga un pedido de direcciones IP a LACNIC
>>>>> (porque tiene una parte de la empresa radicada en la region de LACNIC) y
>>>>> luego utilice esas direcciones publicándolas al mundo desde un AS de APNIC,
>>>>> RIPE, ARIN o AFRINIC ???
>>>>> 
>>>>> Saludos,
>>>>> Nicolas
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:02, Christian O'Flaherty
>>>>> <christian.oflaherty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Es posible que comiencen a radicarse empresas Asiaticas en Latam como
>>>>>> proveedores de servicio de Internet para conseguir direcciones IPv4 de
>>>>>> Lacnic? En algunos paises de nuestra región es muy simple radicar una
>>>>>> empresa para hacer eso.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
>>>>>> <carlosm3011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> FYI
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: Axel Pawlik <no-reply at ripe.net>
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 5:08 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: APNIC Announces its IPv4 Address Pool Reaches Final /8
>>>>>>> To: ncc-announce at ripe.net, ripe-list at ripe.net, ncc-services-wg at ripe.net
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [Apologies for duplicate emails]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Today, Friday 15 April 2011, APNIC, the Regional Internet Registry
>>>>>>> (RIR) for the Asia Pacific region, announced that it has distributed
>>>>>>> the final IPv4 address space from its reserves of IPv4.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This means that APNIC is now supplying IPv4 address space to its
>>>>>>> members from the last /8 it holds according to the guidelines in
>>>>>>> section 9.10 in "Policies for IPv4 address space management in the
>>>>>>> Asia Pacific region":
>>>>>>> http://www.apnic.net/policy/add-manage-policy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This event does not affect the RIPE NCC's reserves of IPv4 address
>>>>>>> space and we will continue to distribute these resources to our
>>>>>>> members on the basis of need until we reach the last /8.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> According to RIPE Document ripe-509, section 5.6, once the RIPE NCC
>>>>>>> reaches the last /8 of IPv4 address space, each Local Internet
>>>>>>> Registry (LIR) can receive one /22 (1024 IPv4 addresses) upon
>>>>>>> application for IPv4 resources. In order to obtain this /22
>>>>>>> allocation, the LIR must already have an IPv6 allocation and have a
>>>>>>> demonstrated need for address space.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> IPv6 - Act Now
>>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The RIPE NCC cannot predict how long its own supply of IPv4 address
>>>>>>> space will last and has worked for several years to inform all
>>>>>>> stakeholders of the urgent need to deploy IPv6.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is now imperative that all stakeholders deploy IPv6 on their
>>>>>>> networks to ensure the continuity of their online operations and the
>>>>>>> long-term growth of the Internet.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For more information on IPv6 and its deployment, advice from experts
>>>>>>> and where to get training, please see:
>>>>>>> www.ipv6actnow.org
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Further Information
>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For more information on IPv4 exhaustion, please see:
>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For more information on how the RIPE NCC's last /8 will be
>>>>>>> distributed, please see:
>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-509
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For information about the amount of IPv4 address space left in the
>>>>>>> RIPE NCC's available pool of IPv4, please see the graph online at:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-pool-graph
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Axel Pawlik
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Managing Director
>>>>>>> RIPE NCC
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> Carlos M. Martinez-Cagnazzo
>>>>>>> http://www.labs.lacnic.net
>>>>>>> =========================
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