[LACNIC/Politicas] Nueva Propuesta LAC-2015-2? //New proposal LAC-2015-2? //Nova Proposta LAC-2015-2?

[Ricardo Patara]

Hello Scott,

> Luis and Ricardo,
>
> Do I understand correctly that you're concerned about organizations
> acquiring space from the remaining LACNIC reserved /11s and then
> transferring it out of the LACNIC region (or transferring their existing
> space and getting more from the reserved /11s)?
>
> What if we modified 2.3.2.X.5 slightly to read "A block that has previously
> been transferred *or received from LACNIC* may not subsequently be
> transferred again for a period of one year"?

This would be an nice "locker" to have, but would not address my concern.
There might be already allocated address space in the "eye" of buyers.

The proposed item, would address new allocations, limited to /22s. (smaller fishes)

> That modification complements David's already-proposed restriction 2.3.2.X4
> that "The organization from which the transfer originated shall
> automatically be ineligible to receive IPv4 resource allocations and/or
> assignments from LACNIC for a period of one year".  With that modification,
> the transfer of address blocks recently received from LACNIC would also be
> disallowed.
>
> Ricardo, would that help address your concern about "massive out flow of IP
> to other regions"?

As mentioned, no.
And this would not be the main concern (might it the higher one, but not the 
only one).

Regards

> -Scott
>
> Traducción al Español / Spanish translation:
>
> Luis y Ricardo,
>
> ¿Entiendo correctamente que ustedes están preocupado acerca de las
> organizaciones que adquieren espacio desde el restante LACNIC reservados /
> 11s y luego transferirlo fuera de la región de LACNIC (o transferencia de
> su espacio existente y conseguir más de los reservados / 11s)?
>
> ¿Y si modificamos 2.3.2.X.5 ligeramente a leer "Un bloque que ha sido
> previamente transferidos *o recibidos de LACNIC* no podrá posteriormente
> ser trasladado de nuevo por un período de un año"?
>
> Esa modificación complementa la restricción de 2.3.2.X4, ya propuesta de
> David que "La organización de la que se originó la transferencia será
> automáticamente elegible para recibir asignaciones y / o asignaciones de
> recursos IPv4 de LACNIC para un período de un año".  Con esa modificación,
> la transferencia de bloques de direcciones recientemente recibidos de
> LACNIC también sería rechazado.
>
> Ricardo, habría que ayudar a abordar su preocupación por "flujo masivo de
> IP a otras regiones"?
>
> -Scott
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Luis Balbinot <luis at luisbalbinot.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Some RIRs require a reciprocal policy on Inter-RIR transfers (e.g.
>> ARIN). I think that's Patara's concern.
>>
>> Luis
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:18 AM, David Huberman
>> <David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Ricardo,
>>>
>>> The only purpose of this proposal is to allow networks which operate in
>> LACNIC but have space elsewhere to move space INTO LACNIC.   If there is
>> concern that language in the proposal that lets space leave LACNIC, let's
>> fix that? There is no intent to move space out of LACNIC or the NIRs.
>>>
>>> I proposed this specifically because my company is spending BILLIONS of
>> U.S. Dollars to build new datacenters in the region, as are other
>> competitors. LACNIC has only /22s left, and will soon be exhausted
>> completely.  As we need more and more IPv4 addresses in these datacenters,
>> we can only use space we have in ARIN or RIPE.  We would like to move that
>> space into LACNIC to properly register it in the region. And it makes
>> geolocation work much better.
>>>
>>> It will not delay IPv6. It is unrelated to IPv6.  Companies must dual
>> stack or risk not being competitive.
>>>
>>> This is only to help network operations in the LACNIC region.
>>>
>>> David R Huberman
>>> Microsoft Corporation
>>> Principal, Global IP Addressing
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Politicas <politicas-bounces at lacnic.net> on behalf of Ricardo
>> Patara <patara at registro.br>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 4:57:24 AM
>>> To: politicas at lacnic.net
>>> Subject: Re: [LACNIC/Politicas] Nueva Propuesta LAC-2015-2? //New
>> proposal LAC-2015-2? //Nova Proposta LAC-2015-2?
>>>
>>> Totally against this proposal.
>>>
>>> LACNIC still have IP address to distribute.
>>>
>>> There are two main and big risks I see on this:
>>>
>>> - delay even more IPv6 deployment
>>> - massive out flow of IP to other regions (specially where there is no
>> need
>>> based analysis).
>>>
>>> So, no benefit to the region.
>>> To me it seems very focused on helping big coprs out side our region to
>> get more
>>> and more addresses with no commitment (or low) to IPv6 deployment
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --
>>>     Ricardo Patara
>>>
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