[lacnog] .ORG?

Jue Nov 28 01:49:20 -02 2019

Hi Alejandro. Sure they don't. The possible reading is that for the past 
3 years the revenue has increased and stabilized. Another point to 
highlight is that it was just recently in May 2019 that ICANN removed 
the price caps from .org.

Anyway, these are the Board minutes from the meetings that approved the 
transaction https://www.internetsociety.org/board-of-trustees/minutes/

Fernando

On 27/11/2019 22:08, Alejandro Acosta wrote:
> Hello,
>
>    Looking to those numbers don't say much. Revenue is a terrific number
> but more important is the profit or net income, with it should be "easy"
> to estimate ROI in years. For a business of 50mm is hard to say what
> investor want but probably they are looking for a return of investment
> in 6-10 years.... .org does not sound as a risky business.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alejandro,
>
>
> On 11/27/19 4:37 PM, Fernando Frediani wrote:
>> Actually just to complement, below are the figures of revenue from PIR
>> from 2017, 2018 e 2019 budgets. So it doesn't seem to have any
>> decrease or loss that could put in risk the organization to fulfill
>> its mission based in this recent historic.
>>
>> 2017 - USD 29.5 million
>> 2018 - USD 34.6 million
>> 2019 - USD 34.1 million
>>
>> Therefore with lack of detailed information it remains difficult to
>> understand the reasoning behind this deal. Perhaps they will come soon
>> and this can be pacified.
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> On 27/11/2019 17:03, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via LACNOG wrote:
>>> El 27/11/19 20:16, "Fernando Gont" <fgont en si6networks.com> escribió:
>>>
>>>       On 27/11/19 15:12, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via LACNOG wrote:
>>>       > Hola Fernando,
>>>       >
>>>       > InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces en elists.isoc.org>
>>>       >
>>>       > Creo que tienes que ser miembro de ISOC para poder acceder a
>>> los archivos (aunque es gratis). Yo estoy siguiendo la discusión y de
>>> momento no creo en las teorias conspiranoicas, entre otras cosas
>>> porque conozco mucha gente del BoT y dudo mucho que se haya optado
>>> por algo nefasto o negligente.
>>>            No se quien tomo la decision en cuestión. En isoc creo que
>>> esta todavia
>>>       Gonzalo Camarillo, que hasta donde lo conozco es 20 puntos.
>>>       -> Así es, sigue siendo el chair y por lo que le conozco, no me
>>> podría creer que hubiera tomado una mala decisión.
>>>            >
>>>       > De todos modos, creo que es muy dificil juzgar si ha sido un
>>> buen movimiento o malo, porque no sabemos la cantidad. Creo que se
>>> habla de que al menos hayan pagado 50 millones de dolares, pero creo
>>> que puede ser mucho mas.
>>>       >
>>>       > Creo que el resumen es "diversificación", no era bueno tener
>>> todos los huevos en la misma cesta y con esta operación ISOC puede
>>> invertir en muchas otras actividades que garantizen mejor la
>>> estabilidad para ISOC y por ende, IETF.
>>>            jaja.. bueno, traes un tema interesante. Porque ISOC parece
>>> estar
>>>       forrado en dinero. Da fortuna a IETF. Asi y todo IETF clama
>>>       independencia. ISOC clama no intervenir... aunque elige al chair
>>> del nomcom.
>>>            E IETF sigue cobrando una fortuna por el fee, que los meros
>>> morales, a
>>>       quien en teoria nos ayuda isoc, debemos pagar de nuestro bolsillo.
>>>
>>> -> no es tan fácil como lo cuentas ... el IETF ha pedido
>>> "independencia" administrativa, pero bajo el paraguas de ISOC, porque
>>> sigue siendo la mayor fuente de ingresos, y le da cobertura legal
>>> como non-for-profit, y muchas mas implicaciones, no se si has seguido
>>> el proceso de IASA 2.0.
>>>                 Hay algo bastante bizarro en todo esto....
>>>            Respecto de la cuestion .ORG, no estudie el tema, por lo
>>> cual no puedo
>>>       hablar.
>>>            --
>>>       Fernando Gont
>>>       SI6 Networks
>>>       e-mail: fgont en si6networks.com
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