[LACNIC/Politicas] Defining routing abuse

Fri Apr 12 09:49:18 -03 2019

I said the communities, not the organizations. We have 5 regions, 1 global community, 5 regional communities. There are small cultural differences, differences in the PDPs, differences in their "organizations" (RIRs), and sometimes differences in the policies, but most of the time, actually all the policies are converging into the same, because there is a single Internet and what we do in one region also affects other regions, and the world is every day more global for everything, not just Internet.

RIPE stands for the community = LACNIC (community)

RIPE NCC stands for the organization = LACNIC organization

In LACNIC there is no such thing as an addressing policy, it is the Policy Development Process (PDP), which is for *anything* related to policies for the LAC region.

In RIPE, we split the different topics (routing, addressing, anti-abuse, IPv6, etc.), but all them have a single result when doing policies: all them go to the same "policy manual".

Saludos,
Jordi

El 12/4/19 14:20, "Politicas en nombre de Arturo Servin" <politicas-bounces at lacnic.net en nombre de arturo.servin at gmail.com> escribió:

    Wrong, RIPE and LACNIC are not equivalent.

    They are very similar but these communities started and evolved
    differently. There are many things that are the same but saying that are
    the same are just wrong.

    In that respect, in LACNIC there is only one WG, the addressing policy.
    Whatever we discuss here and accept to go to the manual is binding to
    LACNIC operation.

    Other work groups are not binding and support community activities (ipv6,
    security, etc.)

    Regards
    as

    On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:09 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Politicas <
    politicas at lacnic.net> wrote:

    > Arturo,
    >
    > This is wrong, not going into the nits, but the main broken concept that
    > you have about how RIPE works.
    >
    > In RIPE community (equivalent to LACNIC community), we deal with policies,
    > in an equivalent way.
    >
    > The only difference is that in LACNIC the only "WG" for the PDP is this
    > list.
    >
    > In RIPE, we distribute the "work-load" in different WGs, but ALL THEM use
    > the SAME PDP, and all them DO policies, which are the SAME for all the RIPE
    > community and that RIPE NCC applies (as equivalent to LACNIC association).
    >
    > Regards,
    > Jordi
    >
    >
    >
    > El 12/4/19 14:04, "Politicas en nombre de Arturo Servin" <
    > politicas-bounces at lacnic.net en nombre de arturo.servin at gmail.com>
    > escribió:
    >
    >     Just to note.
    >
    >     RIPE =! LACNIC
    >
    >     RIPE NCC ~ LACNIC but not the same
    >
    >     The anti-abuse WG is a group in RIPE, not RIPE NCC.
    >
    >     So, in that respect a RIPE WG that deals with operational issues as the
    >     routing or anti-abuse would be the right place to discuss this, But
    > not the
    >     address policy wg that is the equivalent of this list.
    >
    >     As you can see, the scope of LACNIC vs RIPE is different.
    >
    >     https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe
    >
    >
    >     Regards
    >     as
    >
    >     On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:16 PM Carlos Friaças via Politicas <
    >     politicas at lacnic.net> wrote:
    >
    >     >
    >     > FYI.
    >     >
    >     > This could also be an interesting read for those discussing
    > LAC-2019-5
    >     > (either supporting it or opposing it).
    >     >
    >     > Best Regards,
    >     > Carlos
    >     >
    >     > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    >     > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 11:35:00
    >     > From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera at gmail.com>
    >     > To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
    >     > Cc: Carlos Friaças <cfriacas at fccn.pt>,
    >     >      JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
    >     > Subject: Defining routing abuse
    >     >
    >     > Peace,
    >     >
    >     > This is to continue the discussion around 2019-03. Here's our today's
    >     > article about the ways some operators do traffic engineering:
    >     > https://radar.qrator.net/blog/new-hijack-attack-in-the-wild
    >     >
    >     > Should that also be treated as a policy violation? This is clearly
    >     > intentional.
    >     >
    >     > --
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