[LACNIC/Politicas] Nueva propuesta LAC-2018-14 / Nova proposta LAC-2018-14 / New proposal LAC-2018-14

[Arturo Servin]

>Should we release a policy that will ease the depletion of our
>remaining address space? In exchange of what exactly? A cleaner RIR
>database with coherent data? That's not enough reason in my opinion.

Short answer yes.

There is no much space left anyway. And we need to keep the database clean,
otherwise we face larger problems.

To me it is enough reason, sorry to be so opposite to your opinion.

Regards
as

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:36 AM Alejandro Guzman via Politicas <
politicas at lacnic.net> wrote:

> Luis y Fernando
>
> Que pasa si no hay una política... seguimos como estamos... las
> transferencias han ocurrido, están ocurriendo y seguirán ocurriendo. Aún
> los pioneros en IPv6 cuya red soporta IPv6 hace años siguen necesitando
> IPv4 por la realidad actual... y al haber demanda, pues se darán las
> transferencias.
>
> Que pasa si tenemos una política que las permita con cierta regulación y
> orden? Pues al menos ganamos que estas se den en el marco de las políticas,
> a la luz y registradas. De hecho el que ya o deban ser ocultas permite que
> en muchos casos no se necesite un broker...
>
> Esta política no causa ningún "harm" pues el supuesto "harm" existe aún sin
> la política... y al menos produce algún bien.
>
> Alejandro
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 6:46 PM Luis Balbinot <luis at luisbalbinot.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not being mean, I'm being real. I don't see how this policy will
> > do more good than harm.
> >
> > Should we release a policy that will ease the depletion of our
> > remaining address space? In exchange of what exactly? A cleaner RIR
> > database with coherent data? That's not enough reason in my opinion.
> >
> > I'd like to hear the opinion of other operators.
> >
> > Luis
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 10:45 PM Nicolas Antoniello
> > <nantoniello at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Luis,
> > >
> > > As you may probably know, lots of traffic does not mean lots of
> > addresses.
> > > Normally the ones that consume more IP addresses are those who provide
> > > connection services, not those who provide data alone.
> > >
> > > And the fact that you imply that RIR registries (like PKI
> repossitories,
> > IP
> > > allocation database, reverse registries and whois itself) are not being
> > of
> > > much use nowadays reflect the need for fixing that and for maintaining
> > > coherency about data stored.
> > >
> > > Lastly if you just don’t care about all that (not your concern you’ve
> > > mentioned) let me ask you why you’re being so mean on not having a
> policy
> > > that may, at less, better that.
> > > ‘Cos as far as I’m concerned we -don’t care- protecting an IP space
> > that’s
> > > already exausted, right?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > El El mar, 12 de feb. de 2019 a las 21:33, Luis Balbinot <
> > > luis at luisbalbinot.com> escribió:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But still, while we don’t have that policy, transfers occur and so
> > the
> > > > > RIR’s registries are inconsistent... and RPKI fails, and BGP seems
> to
> > > > mess,
> > > > > and so many things that we may avoid !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And exactly why does that should concern me or anyone else? It's a
> good
> > > > thing that RPKI fails and BGP has been a mess for a very long time
> > thanks
> > > > to cloud providers and CDNs. RIR registries are of very limited use
> > today.
> > > > All we get are abuse mailboxes that nobody reads and very limited and
> > > > outdated owner information. People trust IRR databases,  PeeringDB
> and
> > > > geolocation data more than whois data.
> > > >
> > > > Again: I'd like to see examples of such transfers in action because I
> > don't
> > > > think they are relevant. I've worked with Goodle, Akamai, CloudFlare,
> > > > Netflix, Microsoft, Facebook and Amazon. They are all using
> legitimate
> > > > address space in the LAC region. And those alone account for *a lot*
> of
> > > > traffic.
> > > >
> > > > It's not common practice to advertise address space from other ASNs
> in
> > the
> > > > LAC region with LOAs like it happens in the ARIN region. It should be
> > easy
> > > > to track and make reports on that.
> > > >
> > > > Luis
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