[LACNIC/Politicas] Nueva propuesta LAC-2018-14 / Nova proposta LAC-2018-14 / New proposal LAC-2018-14

[Alejandro Guzman]

Luis y Fernando

Que pasa si no hay una política... seguimos como estamos... las
transferencias han ocurrido, están ocurriendo y seguirán ocurriendo. Aún
los pioneros en IPv6 cuya red soporta IPv6 hace años siguen necesitando
IPv4 por la realidad actual... y al haber demanda, pues se darán las
transferencias.

Que pasa si tenemos una política que las permita con cierta regulación y
orden? Pues al menos ganamos que estas se den en el marco de las políticas,
a la luz y registradas. De hecho el que ya o deban ser ocultas permite que
en muchos casos no se necesite un broker...

Esta política no causa ningún "harm" pues el supuesto "harm" existe aún sin
la política... y al menos produce algún bien.

Alejandro



On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 6:46 PM Luis Balbinot <luis at luisbalbinot.com> wrote:

> I'm not being mean, I'm being real. I don't see how this policy will
> do more good than harm.
>
> Should we release a policy that will ease the depletion of our
> remaining address space? In exchange of what exactly? A cleaner RIR
> database with coherent data? That's not enough reason in my opinion.
>
> I'd like to hear the opinion of other operators.
>
> Luis
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 10:45 PM Nicolas Antoniello
> <nantoniello at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Luis,
> >
> > As you may probably know, lots of traffic does not mean lots of
> addresses.
> > Normally the ones that consume more IP addresses are those who provide
> > connection services, not those who provide data alone.
> >
> > And the fact that you imply that RIR registries (like PKI repossitories,
> IP
> > allocation database, reverse registries and whois itself) are not being
> of
> > much use nowadays reflect the need for fixing that and for maintaining
> > coherency about data stored.
> >
> > Lastly if you just don’t care about all that (not your concern you’ve
> > mentioned) let me ask you why you’re being so mean on not having a policy
> > that may, at less, better that.
> > ‘Cos as far as I’m concerned we -don’t care- protecting an IP space
> that’s
> > already exausted, right?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El El mar, 12 de feb. de 2019 a las 21:33, Luis Balbinot <
> > luis at luisbalbinot.com> escribió:
> >
> > > >
> > > > But still, while we don’t have that policy, transfers occur and so
> the
> > > > RIR’s registries are inconsistent... and RPKI fails, and BGP seems to
> > > mess,
> > > > and so many things that we may avoid !
> > >
> > >
> > > And exactly why does that should concern me or anyone else? It's a good
> > > thing that RPKI fails and BGP has been a mess for a very long time
> thanks
> > > to cloud providers and CDNs. RIR registries are of very limited use
> today.
> > > All we get are abuse mailboxes that nobody reads and very limited and
> > > outdated owner information. People trust IRR databases,  PeeringDB and
> > > geolocation data more than whois data.
> > >
> > > Again: I'd like to see examples of such transfers in action because I
> don't
> > > think they are relevant. I've worked with Goodle, Akamai, CloudFlare,
> > > Netflix, Microsoft, Facebook and Amazon. They are all using legitimate
> > > address space in the LAC region. And those alone account for *a lot* of
> > > traffic.
> > >
> > > It's not common practice to advertise address space from other ASNs in
> the
> > > LAC region with LOAs like it happens in the ARIN region. It should be
> easy
> > > to track and make reports on that.
> > >
> > > Luis
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