[LACNIC/Politicas] Nueva propuesta LAC-2018-14 / Nova proposta LAC-2018-14 / New proposal LAC-2018-14

Luis Balbinot luis at luisbalbinot.com
Wed Feb 13 00:46:12 -02 2019

I'm not being mean, I'm being real. I don't see how this policy will
do more good than harm.

Should we release a policy that will ease the depletion of our
remaining address space? In exchange of what exactly? A cleaner RIR
database with coherent data? That's not enough reason in my opinion.

I'd like to hear the opinion of other operators.


On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 10:45 PM Nicolas Antoniello
<nantoniello at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Luis,
> As you may probably know, lots of traffic does not mean lots of addresses.
> Normally the ones that consume more IP addresses are those who provide
> connection services, not those who provide data alone.
> And the fact that you imply that RIR registries (like PKI repossitories, IP
> allocation database, reverse registries and whois itself) are not being of
> much use nowadays reflect the need for fixing that and for maintaining
> coherency about data stored.
> Lastly if you just don’t care about all that (not your concern you’ve
> mentioned) let me ask you why you’re being so mean on not having a policy
> that may, at less, better that.
> ‘Cos as far as I’m concerned we -don’t care- protecting an IP space that’s
> already exausted, right?
> Regards,
> Nico
> El El mar, 12 de feb. de 2019 a las 21:33, Luis Balbinot <
> luis at luisbalbinot.com> escribió:
> > >
> > > But still, while we don’t have that policy, transfers occur and so the
> > > RIR’s registries are inconsistent... and RPKI fails, and BGP seems to
> > mess,
> > > and so many things that we may avoid !
> >
> >
> > And exactly why does that should concern me or anyone else? It's a good
> > thing that RPKI fails and BGP has been a mess for a very long time thanks
> > to cloud providers and CDNs. RIR registries are of very limited use today.
> > All we get are abuse mailboxes that nobody reads and very limited and
> > outdated owner information. People trust IRR databases,  PeeringDB and
> > geolocation data more than whois data.
> >
> > Again: I'd like to see examples of such transfers in action because I don't
> > think they are relevant. I've worked with Goodle, Akamai, CloudFlare,
> > Netflix, Microsoft, Facebook and Amazon. They are all using legitimate
> > address space in the LAC region. And those alone account for *a lot* of
> > traffic.
> >
> > It's not common practice to advertise address space from other ASNs in the
> > LAC region with LOAs like it happens in the ARIN region. It should be easy
> > to track and make reports on that.
> >
> > Luis
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